One really needs to stay off the hype-wagon if one wants to understand technology. Java is a bloated, over-engineered piece of [expletive deleted], never mind what the blogheads say. And we no longer need it to create rich web applications. For that we have Javascript+DOM (c.f. Safari and Chrome). Flash is interesting, but again hype left reality a long way behind.

On the 3rd party apps, I think Apple is simply trying to milk the iPhone for every dollar it can get. Make no mistake however, the iPhone's software design should worry all handheld vendors. They got the fundamentals right. And we are not just talking phone vendors. It is UNIX definitely, otherwise bash, sshd, apache, etc. would not have been ported so fast, so easily.

The pity with the iPhone is Apple's overly aggressive attempts at cashing in. When the first iPhone was cracked, the proliferation of apps for it was a testament to how badly every other PDA/phone vendor had been treating us.


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On Dec 02, 2008, at 17:55, Niles Collins wrote:

Well as far as UNIX systems go. the iPhone OS is more like a patch job than a refinement. I don't want to come across as insulting your holy grail version of UNIX. but to not support Java or flash in a web enabled phone's OS is a big misstep. This isn't because of the software not being able to get a version ready in time for the launch, it is because the iPhone's OS does not allow it Apps to interact with 3rd party software unless Apple agrees it is neccessary. The fact that the OS can't really multi task, you can't talk on the phone and use another application at the same time. There are a lot of problems with with the implementation of UNIX on the iPhone.
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