Would kyle not just be bending the definition just like the IP lawyers are bending the damage caused by illegal downloading to say, 50.000USD per song?
-- rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 758 801 749 www.mountbatten.net On Tuesday 10 August 2010 11:32:20 Tim Schofield wrote: > Well Kyle you have a unique definition of theft that I have never come > across before in my 50 years on this planet. > > If I hack into amazons servers and download the credit card details of > all their customers, the law would say I have stolen that data. I dont > have to remove them, I still have stolen them and I would be charged > with the theft of that data. If you break into someones offices and > take copies of their private information from their filing cabinets, > that is theft. > > it is not archiving, cloning, or any other of the words that have been > used here, it is theft. > > You are the only person on this list arguing that taking something > that does not belong to you without the permission of the owner is not > theft. The argument of the rest of this list is that it is acceptable > practice as they are being robbed by other people as well. > > On 10/08/2010, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey Tim, > > > > While I respect your position, I refuse to allow us, as a group, to > > collectively base this discussion on false analogies and appeals to > > emotion. > > > > The distinction between "theft" and "unauthorized duplication" is /very/ > > important. > > > > The YR service is /not/ like stealing a car. If you steal my car I no > > longer have it. > > > > On the other hand, if you walk up to my car and magically make 100 > > copies of it, I still have my car and it has /not/ been stolen. > > > > I am not arguing whether either one is right, wrong, or has more or less > > impact than the other. I only argue that the outcomes of these two > > actions are very different and should not morally or legally be judged > > as the same. > > > > Personally, I think the real interesting questions regarding IP law are: > > > > If we all have the ability to clone things for free, why should we pay > > for those things? > > > > Is it safe to build economies on markets of artificial scarcity? > > > > > > Regards, > > Kyle Spencer > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > > > > Ok, there are lots of threads within a thread here so let me summarise > > > > > > the arguments. Please feel free to comment if you do not agree. > > > > > > It is a fact that Badru has a site on which he is distributing > > > copyrighted material that does not belong to him and without the > > > permission of the owners. > > > > > > It is a fact that taking something that does not belong to you without > > > the permission of the owner is theft. > > > > > > Badru and others say that this is acceptable as there are other people > > > who are also stealing from these people so he may as well join in. I > > > do not agree with this. > > > > > > This is a Linux user group. Linux would not exist without copyright > > > law. If people in the rest of the world do not respect copyright law, > > > the software we all enjoy will disappear. > > > > > > It is not ok to portray this as the developing world against the > > > developed world. Other developing countries including the rest of EAC > > > are trying to respect the rights of copyright holders. Why can't > > > Uganda. > > > > > > These are hard working creative artists and programmers that you are > > > agreeing it is acceptable to steal from. > > > > > > This summarisesz my position I think. > > > > > > -- > > > WebERP Africa Ltd > > > +447710427049 > > > +256752963327 > > > +255784602561 > > > www.weberpafrica.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > LUG mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > > > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > > > All Archives can be found at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > > > (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible > > > for them in any way. --------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ LUG mailing list [email protected] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---------------------------------------
