Well, Greece is Greece. The fact that Greece happens to be in Europe has little to no relevance. :)
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Victor van Reijswoud <[email protected]> wrote: > In Greece (also in still in Europe) we were called in to register our > prepaid cards with our identity cards. This happened last year. > > V > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I was in China last November, and I bought a prepaid SIM, for cash, >> with data enabled. In Sweden we had the question of requiring >> mandatory registration up for discussion many years ago, and it got >> laughed at so fiercely it really didn't have a chance to pass. If they >> are going to bring up this ridiculous idea in the EU again, it's news >> to me. >> >> Get your facts straight, Kyle. :) >> >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> In the US all carriers are >>>> required to take the details of someone before >>>> they buy a sim pack. >>> >>> I was recently given two pre-paid voice/data SIMs (on two separate >>> occasions) without being asked to provide any ID. All they asked for was a >>> name and 4 digit PIN. Cash was a payment option. No address, social >>> security number, etc was required. >>> >>>> In China and Japan you have to present a >>>> passport or national ID to buy a sim pack. >>> >>> I lived in China, though it was a number of years ago. I never had to >>> provide ID to buy SIMs. Things could be different now, though :) >>> >>>> The EU is in the process of making it mandatory >>>> for all its members to register sims. >>>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US >>>> requiring sim registration. >>> >>> Citation needed! Can you provide more details on this legislation? If >>> there's a law on the books in the US, it's not strictly followed. >>> >>> Anyway, all of that is beside the main point. I still argue that this >>> legislation is a mostly ineffective security measure, has negative economic >>> consequences, and is prone to abuse. >>> >>> And, though it won't benefit consumers, it will benefit the telecoms as it >>> should significantly reduce the "churn" rate (the industry term for users >>> frequently changing providers) by creating barriers to entry. You're far >>> less likely to change networks frequently if you need to manually sign up >>> and suffer a delay period every time you switch. >>> >>> As a result, companies like MTN will now be able to provide lower quality >>> of service with fewer consequences as customers will be less inclined to >>> make the effort to switch to another network. >>> >>> I believe Uganda's high churn rates indicate a healthy consumer-oriented >>> marketplace. Why throw this away and give more leverage to the telecoms? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original message ----- >>>> @kyle, @benjamin, and if you can in USA and China and Sweden, I bet those >>>> guys already have some fancy mechanism to track down any phone user even >>>> if they haven't registered their SIMs. In the US all carriers are >>>> required to take the details of someone before they buy a sim pack. In >>>> China and Japan you have to present a passport or national ID to buy a >>>> sim pack. The EU is in the process of making it mandatory for all its >>>> members to register sims. >>>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US requiring sim registration. >>>> Whether or not it goes through is another issue. >>>> I think the UCC/gov't has some valid concerns to do what they are doing. >>>> Playing the devil's advocate, having national IDs should have been the >>>> first priority for gov't if it has security concerns, then maybe >>>> registration would not be requirement. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > > If you go many >>>> > > countries, you just can't walk into a shop and buy a sim card like >>>> > > we >>>> > do it >>>> > > in UG. >>>> > >>>> > You can in the USA! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Bright Onapito <[email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > > Hello Ronnie, >>>> > > I feel your pain, but I must say this process is long over due! It >>>> > > is a mandatory procedure for every teleco to register all its >>>> > > subscribers. UCC was abit lenient to all these guys in the first >>>> > > place. If you go many countries, you just can't walk into a shop >>>> > > and buy a sim card like we >>>> > do it >>>> > > in UG. In as much as it might appear as a 'breech of privacy' I >>>> > > believe >>>> > it >>>> > > is a move aimed at protecting you and me. Imagine your phone was >>>> > > stolen >>>> > and >>>> > > sold to whoever. As soon as they put in their sim card it will be >>>> > > quite >>>> > easy >>>> > > to for starters know who is using your stolen phone. That's a plus >>>> > > for starters isn't it? >>>> > > Cheers! >>>> > > >>>> > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Delyon Ronnie >>>> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Recently read in the papers about UCC requiring every holder of a >>>> > > > sim >>>> > card >>>> > > > to register it or face termination of service. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > What does this achieve and isn’t this some infringement of privacy. >>>> > People >>>> > > > should I think have the option of opting out given I don’t(yet) >>>> > > > see any benefits of doing it to begin with >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>> > > > [email protected] >>>> > > > Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> > > > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>> > > > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>> > > > >>>> > > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>> > > > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>> > > > >>>> > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >>>> > > > (including attachments if any). 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The mailing list host is not responsible for them in >>> any way. >> _______________________________________________ >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: [email protected] >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). 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