Me too, but imagine where we would be if nobody was fighting tooth and nail to try to combat this. :)
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:58 PM, sanga collins <[email protected]> wrote: > i'm suprised this is still a hot topic. I think i've been numbed to the fact > that big brother will always be watching and therefore i use > devices/computers/services with that thought as the only constant. > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well, Greece is Greece. The fact that Greece happens to be in Europe >> has little to no relevance. :) >> >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Victor van Reijswoud >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > In Greece (also in still in Europe) we were called in to register our >> > prepaid cards with our identity cards. This happened last year. >> > >> > V >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I was in China last November, and I bought a prepaid SIM, for cash, >> >> with data enabled. In Sweden we had the question of requiring >> >> mandatory registration up for discussion many years ago, and it got >> >> laughed at so fiercely it really didn't have a chance to pass. If they >> >> are going to bring up this ridiculous idea in the EU again, it's news >> >> to me. >> >> >> >> Get your facts straight, Kyle. :) >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>>> In the US all carriers are >> >>>> required to take the details of someone before >> >>>> they buy a sim pack. >> >>> >> >>> I was recently given two pre-paid voice/data SIMs (on two separate >> >>> occasions) without being asked to provide any ID. All they asked for >> >>> was a >> >>> name and 4 digit PIN. Cash was a payment option. No address, social >> >>> security number, etc was required. >> >>> >> >>>> In China and Japan you have to present a >> >>>> passport or national ID to buy a sim pack. >> >>> >> >>> I lived in China, though it was a number of years ago. I never had to >> >>> provide ID to buy SIMs. Things could be different now, though :) >> >>> >> >>>> The EU is in the process of making it mandatory >> >>>> for all its members to register sims. >> >>>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US >> >>>> requiring sim registration. >> >>> >> >>> Citation needed! Can you provide more details on this legislation? >> >>> If there's a law on the books in the US, it's not strictly followed. >> >>> >> >>> Anyway, all of that is beside the main point. I still argue that this >> >>> legislation is a mostly ineffective security measure, has negative >> >>> economic >> >>> consequences, and is prone to abuse. >> >>> >> >>> And, though it won't benefit consumers, it will benefit the telecoms >> >>> as it should significantly reduce the "churn" rate (the industry term for >> >>> users frequently changing providers) by creating barriers to entry. >> >>> You're >> >>> far less likely to change networks frequently if you need to manually >> >>> sign >> >>> up and suffer a delay period every time you switch. >> >>> >> >>> As a result, companies like MTN will now be able to provide lower >> >>> quality of service with fewer consequences as customers will be less >> >>> inclined to make the effort to switch to another network. >> >>> >> >>> I believe Uganda's high churn rates indicate a healthy >> >>> consumer-oriented marketplace. Why throw this away and give more >> >>> leverage >> >>> to the telecoms? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original message ----- >> >>>> @kyle, @benjamin, and if you can in USA and China and Sweden, I bet >> >>>> those >> >>>> guys already have some fancy mechanism to track down any phone user >> >>>> even >> >>>> if they haven't registered their SIMs. In the US all carriers are >> >>>> required to take the details of someone before they buy a sim pack. >> >>>> In >> >>>> China and Japan you have to present a passport or national ID to buy >> >>>> a >> >>>> sim pack. The EU is in the process of making it mandatory for all its >> >>>> members to register sims. >> >>>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US requiring sim >> >>>> registration. >> >>>> Whether or not it goes through is another issue. >> >>>> I think the UCC/gov't has some valid concerns to do what they are >> >>>> doing. >> >>>> Playing the devil's advocate, having national IDs should have been >> >>>> the >> >>>> first priority for gov't if it has security concerns, then maybe >> >>>> registration would not be requirement. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> > > If you go many >> >>>> > > countries, you just can't walk into a shop and buy a sim card >> >>>> > > like >> >>>> > > we >> >>>> > do it >> >>>> > > in UG. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > You can in the USA! >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Bright Onapito >> >>>> > <[email protected]> >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> > > Hello Ronnie, >> >>>> > > I feel your pain, but I must say this process is long over due! >> >>>> > > It >> >>>> > > is a mandatory procedure for every teleco to register all its >> >>>> > > subscribers. UCC was abit lenient to all these guys in the first >> >>>> > > place. If you go many countries, you just can't walk into a >> >>>> > > shop >> >>>> > > and buy a sim card like we >> >>>> > do it >> >>>> > > in UG. In as much as it might appear as a 'breech of privacy' I >> >>>> > > believe >> >>>> > it >> >>>> > > is a move aimed at protecting you and me. Imagine your phone was >> >>>> > > stolen >> >>>> > and >> >>>> > > sold to whoever. As soon as they put in their sim card it will be >> >>>> > > quite >> >>>> > easy >> >>>> > > to for starters know who is using your stolen phone. That's a >> >>>> > > plus >> >>>> > > for starters isn't it? >> >>>> > > Cheers! >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Delyon Ronnie >> >>>> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > Recently read in the papers about UCC requiring every holder of >> >>>> > > > a >> >>>> > > > sim >> >>>> > card >> >>>> > > > to register it or face termination of service. >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > What does this achieve and isn’t this some infringement of >> >>>> > > > privacy. >> >>>> > People >> >>>> > > > should I think have the option of opting out given I don’t(yet) >> >>>> > > > see any benefits of doing it to begin with >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > > > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >>>> > > > [email protected] >> >>>> > > > Mailing list archives: >> >>>> > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >>>> > > > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >>>> > > > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >>>> > > > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> >>>> > > > (including attachments if any). 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