Dear Stephan and list: Unfortunately, some people take any disagreement with their point of view as a personal attack and react "vigorously" to that.
I just joined this list a few days ago, but I've been on several music lists in the past, and the same things happen. We musicians often have strong personalities and those sometimes clash when there is a difference of opinion.......... I can see very plainly a reason why someone might be offended by this discussion of the origins of Gregorian chant. Being part of a religious tradition and having long-held beliefs challenged is very difficult for many people. However, I would like to point out that any research into topics relating to early music and its connection with religion is always worthwhile, even if it challenges people. The point of this research is ultimately the truth that so many people search for in their faith. Getting back on topic of the lute, I wanted to share with you lutenists some very interesting experiences about the use of the 'oud that I learned in Yemen while I lived there. The 'oud and the few people that play it in Yemen seem to be very highly prized. The instrument is used often in Yemeni traditional music, and is one of the few instruments ever utilized to accompany traditional songs. Upper class weddings usually feature a singer, and this is often times accompanied by a drummer and an 'oud player. There is other music, particularly in northern Yemen, which is just for 'oud and drum at these gatherings (which are all male; Yemeni weddings have a separate wedding party for the bride and groom with the guests often numbering in the hundreds). Very interesting stuff. The music is less melodic than it is percussive. The 'oud players show some real virtuosity in these pieces. I was never to find recordings, but I also found myself wandering in and out of conversations while really trying to get a grasp on this music. The rhythms are very complicated and I can only imagine that these pieces are rather difficult for the 'oud player as well. I believe much of it to be improvisational in nature. So, if you are ever in Yemen, and invited to a wedding, make sure you go because you may hear some very interesting music being played on the 'oud. Unfortunately, I did not get a chance to really talk with the musicians (they often move from wedding to wedding on the same day)and examine their instruments or how it is notated. My social obligations at these functions just didn't allow enough time for that. Just thought that I'd add that interesting bit of ethnomusicology to the discussion. Titan Rodick Seattle, WA --- Stephan Olbertz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Thomas, > > I'm very sorry about what you wrote and that the > German lute > society lost an active member. However, I cannot see > any > personal attack in the mail you quoted. I don't know > either if > it is good to post such personal things to the list. > Personal > feuds in public are always a bit awkward IMHO. > > All the best for the new year to both of you, > > Stephan > > Am 31 Dec 2003 um 0:47 hat Thomas Schall > geschrieben: > > > Hi, > > > > I wonder about the frustration, anger and hatred > which I can detect in > > this mail. Interesting to read such things from a > pastor. > > > > Nobody doubts the bible nor is it guesswork what > this musicologist > > wrote. Maybe her theories should be taken "cum > grano salis" and I've > > learnt that most of it is already known but why > this heavy reaction? > > > > I have detected much hatred against my person from > Mathias (for > > example in email exchanges within the german lute > society which I left > > after some hatred filled by esp. Mathias) but I > wonder why (I never > > did *him* any harm) - and why he reacts on a > simple forwarded message > > in such a unbelievable heavy way - i Suspect it's > just because it's > > from me. > > > > Regards > > Thomas > > > > P.S.: Actually I just got Mathias's mail cleaning > my trashbin (usually > > all mails by mathias are directly send to the > trash bin) and am very > > curious what could be the fate behind becoming > such a person. > > > > Am Die, 2003-12-30 um 19.49 schrieb "Mathias > Rösel": > > > > > "Thomas Schall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > schrieb: > > > > > http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/1/0,1872,2084833,00.html > > > > > > > > > http://www.gregorianik-forschung.de/downloads/ksta-030625-b.pdf > > > > > > > > > http://www.gregorianik-forschung.de/institut.htm > > > > > > > > > founding a new institute in order to spread > > > Jesus-wasn't-killed-he-lived-in-Cashmere-kind > theories -- that's > > > what they call revisionism, isn't it. I'm > curious if and how > > > _serious_ researchers will answer. But in > general, I think no answer > > > is needed because Mrs Yavuz' theses are pure > guesswork. > > > > -- > > Thomas Schall > > Niederhofheimer Weg 3 > > D-65843 Sulzbach > > 06196/74519 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.lautenist.de / www.tslaute.de/weiss > > > > -- > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
