Dear Martyn, Many thanks for your message.
The question of whether particular courses should be tuned in octaves or unisons is fundamental to our understanding of how music was played in the past. Whether we are discussing lutes, baroque guitars, theorboes, or even ukuleles, this same question will keep re-appearing. I am always willing to take a fresh look at whatever evidence we may have, and re-assess it, hopefully with an open mind. Unfortunately so far there is not enough evidence to keep everyone in agreement. The idea of a second course on the theorbo tuned in octaves was put forward by Andrea Damiani in his article, "An hypothesis on the tuning of the Italian theorbo", in Federico Marincola's _Lutebot_ (1999). I find his arguments very persuasive, although I confess that, unlike Andrea Damiani, I have not actually experimented with this tuning myself. I wish I could, because I have never been convinced by Melii's music played on my single-strung theorbo with the first two courses tuned down the octave. I just cannot accept a trill ending like this (_Libro Quinto_, p. 51): |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ | |\ |\ |\ | | | |\ | | | |. |\ | | 8 =0==3==========|============||= ===============|====3=======||= =2==0==========|============||= =1==1=====3====|==========1=||= =1==1==0====0==|=1========1=||= ===============|==========o=||= T The letter T under the 3rd event indicates a trill, which is completed with a termination involving the 3rd course. Played on a single-strung theorbo with the first two courses down an octave, it is musical nonsense. Here's another, this time from page 37: |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ | |\ | | | | 8 =0= =========|===================|====3==1=|= =2=======|===================|=========|= =========|===================|=========|= ====0====|=======3=========3=|=1=======|= ====3====|=1==0=========0====|=========|= =========|===================|=========|= There are so many examples of this kind, hopping back and forth from one octave to the other, that I cannot believe that this is what any sane composer would write. Examples like these suggest that the 2nd course of Melii's tiorba was tuned at the high octave, yet on page 35 we have this: |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ | |\ | |\ |\ | | | | |\ |\ | | | | |\ |\ | | | |__| | | =0= =========|=======2===================|=== =========|===========================|=0= =0=======|=======2===========2=0=====|=== =3=====3=|=======2=====3=1=0=========|=== =3=====3=|=3==1==0===============2=0=|=== =2=====2=|===========================|=== For that downward scale to make any musical sense at all, the 2nd course must be tuned at the lower octave. The only way all these passages can sound anything like music is to have a 2nd course which provides notes at two different octaves. QED. Your point about maximum breaking stress is an important one, and led Damiani to conclude that the sort of theorbo Melii had in mind was probably quite a small one. As Howard Posner has pointed out, although the English theorbo (with a high 2nd course) was normally tuned to G, there is evidence that it was sometimes tuned to A. Thomas Mace makes it very clear that the theorbo in A needs to be smaller than the one in G. On page 216 of _Musick's Monument_ (London, 1676) he shows how the open strings of the theorbo in G would look like in staff notation. He then says: "These are the Natural Notes of the Scale, the Sixth String being Generally us'd for Gam-ut, upon a Full-Sciz'd Lute; but upon Lutes of a Smaller Scize, which will not bear up to Speak Plumply, or Lustily, according to a Consort-Pitch; then we make the 7th. String Gam-ut, as here in This next Under-Line you may see." Mace then shows what the open strings would be in staff notation for a theorbo in A. By the way, when he uses the word "lute" in this context, he means "theorbo". The problem we have is that, as far as I know, there is no concrete evidence (like a surviving instrument or a description in a book) to support Damiani's hypothesis. It's a similar situation to the many discussions we have had with regard to the baroque guitar's 3rd course - was it ever tuned in octaves, and if so, how widespread was this? We fall back on looking at the music, where there are funny shifts from one octave to another. The octavists (like me) argue that the music can only make proper sense if we have courses tuned in octaves; the unisonists argue that this is over-fussy, and that these strange shifts are an integral part of the instrument's style. You pays your money and takes your choice. :-) All the best, Stewart. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Double 1st (HIP message included) > Stewart, > > This matter was discussed at length a year or so ago: it is a chimera. > Other than wishful thinking, there is no evidence for use of a theorbo > second course strung in octaves; indeed, since the stress of a higher > octave second would exceed the maximum breaking stress, it is highly > unlikely. You could, I suppose, adopt a very low nominal tuning to allow > the physics to work but then the lower fingered courses would be at such a > low stress that the very sound the instrument was invented to produce (a > stronger, more focussed bass) would be lost........................ > > There are examples of this octave melodic shift in other theorbo tablatures > and, bearing in mind their willingness to transpose basses an octave, > there's really no reason to suppose the Old Ones were as intransigent as us > on these matters (also see earlier communications). > > rgds > > Martyn