Aren't names wonderful, one can be whoever one says one is. And that particularly in the earlier eras when the name was a part of the location or occupation. Personnally, being of Scot's origin (despite the Irish name) I would choose Black John (Ian Dhu), but only because as a kid I always wanted to be a villain.
Enough, names are rather variegated, coming from the different spellings and the different histories. The icelandic twins, Sigrid and Ingrid, offspring of Sven would be Svenson and Svensdottir respectively. But I do question Stewart's use of football fans in the UK, despite the names of the teams I don't think "united" could ever refer to any of them, or their fans. It is easier here in the US, all one need remember is that the Boston Red Sox fans hate the New York Yankees fans because of a trade and a jinx from the '20s. (And that the Atlanta Braves were the Milwaukee Braves before the Boston Braves moved to Wisconsin - and that no Los Angeles Dodgers fan has the slightest idea where the team nick-name came from - the Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers were ducking those electric trams before LA had anything but horses. ) But those are minor details. I guess I have to make a point to preserve my reputation as pontificator, but I can't think of one. Oh well, let us hope that we are United in the sounds of the music, whether HIP or just a reasonable facsimile. What is in a name, other than spelling, I could sign "Spud Murphy", as when I was crippled with polio in the late forties I wanted to have a "tough guy" nickname - so invented my own from the comic strips. (For the Europeans, Spud a name for an Irish potato). But better I sign as myself, a newcomer to playing the lute, but a long term lover of the early music (and I've sung many of the pieces and understand the sound). So I'll not be Ian Dhu, nor Spud, I'll just be Best, Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: HIN (Historical Informed Naming) > Dear Francesco, > > I am very sympathetic to what you say. The name "Francesco" on its > own could be misleading, because there there are many other > Francescos (Franceschi?). It reminds me of those football fans who > arrogantly refer to their favourite team as "United" instead of > "Manchester United", ignoring the existence of all the other > Uniteds: Leeds, Oxford, Newcastle, etc. > > I suppose strictly speaking we should call him "Canova". I guess we > don't do so now, because people didn't seem to in the 16th century. > > "Francesco da Milano" is a bit of a mouthful. It would be nice to > have something shorter. > > It might be that many people shy away from using "Da Milano", > because they think it is more part of his address than his name. > However, I think we should call him "Milano", as we do with > Palestrina. Would that be OK by you? > > That still leaves us with what to do with Albert da Rippe. > > Best wishes, > > Stewart from Nottingham. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francesco Tribioli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'lute list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:59 AM > Subject: RE: HIN (Historical Informed Naming) > > >> > are going to be unhappy. I would wager most in the Lute >> > community would instantly understand that Francesco is most >> > surely Francesco Canova Da Milano Da Parigi. >> The point is that Francesco da Milano was never called just > "Francesco" at >> his times as it was for, say, Michelangelo. Perhaps it might be an >> Anglophone habit to call him that way, but for sure that's not the > case here >> in Italy, where he's universally known with his most common name > in the >> Renaissance, that is Francesco da Milano. No one here would call > him with >> just the first name and this is why the use to call him just > Francesco >> disturbs me. Perhaps, as he was an Italian, the Italian habit > should prevale >> this time... 8^) >> >> Francesco (da Firenze) > > > > > >
