Michael: I might add as well my name is not Lance, it is Vance. It makes me wonder if that was not on purpose as well understanding your education and ability to read what is written in what seems to be many languages.
Vance Wood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute list" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: Re: belly braces > Lance, > David asked about the bracing I was describing,. Late Baroque swan neck. > Lundberg makes no mention of that in his book. > I do think it's misleading to tell others, that He examined a thousand > lutes. > > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "lute list" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: belly braces > > > > Dear David: > > > > I am truly sorry Michael, it seems that somewhere you have taken a real > > dislike to me and choose to pot shot every post I make. However; if you > > examine pages 30 through 40 in Mr. Lundberg's book you will find the > > information I mentioned. Remember I said easily accessible. The sources > > you mention will not be available without a lot of correspondence and > > research, that's not bad, but that's not a simple first place to start. > As > > to the number of Lutes Mr. Lundberg examined I am probably wrong but even > > three hundred is a goodly amount, I have not taken the time to > individually > > count every Lute mentioned on a seven page inventory. Pages 249 through > 256 > > itemize the Lutes he has looked at, some of them with the bellies off, > some > > of them through X ray . > > > > As to the swan neck, that was not in the original question, the question > was > > about Baroque Lutes and I was not aware the this was also synonymous with > > "Swan Neck". All I have done is to try to offer what I know to a questi on > > someone asked, again the old saying "No good deed goes unpunished" proves > > itself accurate. > > > > Vance Wood. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "lute list" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "David Cameron" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 11:39 AM > > Subject: Re: belly braces > > > > > > > >David: > > > > > > >The only accurate source I know of is Robert >Lundberg's book: > > Historical > > > >Lute Construction. There are a number of historical >belly brace > > > >configurations in the book derived from having examined >perhaps a > > thousand > > > >existent Lutes. I am sure there are other sources as well >but this > one > > is > > > >more accessible to someone without access to the >museums of Europe, or > > > some > > > >obscure research paper floating around out there. > > > > > > Lance mentions Lundberg examining a 1000 existent lutes, (wow! ) I > > don't > > > know the exact amount of surviving lutes, but I would put that number > > closer > > > to 300, out of 300 lutes Lundberg has examined.... he has seen the > bracing > > > of maybe 15, I would say, and none of those appears to be swan necks. > > > Actually Lundberg doesn't deal with this topic, other than to say, > > that > > > he tried using symmetrical bracing once, but could get those, weird, > > vague, > > > and obscure overtones he famously speaks about, in the chapter on > > > thickneesing the top, with the J bar bracing, and seemed to dismiss to > > > issue. > > > David, the only place to find this late German swan neck bracing is > on > > > plans made by various People, like Klaus Martius who drew both the > Schelle > > > therobo, and the Widhalm, both showing symmetrical fan bracing. Also, > the > > > plans by Gerhard Sohone, of the swan neck Tielke, show this, as well as > > > Gunter Mark, of the Schelle MI46 show this symmetrical bracing, and last > > but > > > not least on my website under museum photos there is a photo Juri > Chepalak > > > sent me showing this bracing on the Brunner. > > > These are just the ones we have opened up and looked inside. also to > > add > > > to this is the arching of the bridge, and the soundboard that Klaus > > Martius > > > observed in the Widhalm, and I observed in the Yale Jauch, seem to be > late > > > developments as well. > > > > > > Michael Thames > > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "lute list" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "David Cameron" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: belly braces > > > > > > > > > > David: > > > > > > > > The only accurate source I know of is Robert Lundberg's book: > > Historical > > > > Lute Construction. There are a number of historical belly brace > > > > configurations in the book derived from having examined perhaps a > > thousand > > > > existent Lutes. I am sure there are other sources as well but this > one > > is > > > > more accessible to someone without access to the museums of Europe, or > > > some > > > > obscure research paper floating around out there. > > > > > > > > Vance Wood. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:39 AM > > > > Subject: belly braces > > > > > > > > > > > > > A short while ago, Michael Thames and others mentioned a change from > > the > > > > > earlier soundboard bracing, to acomodate greater string lengths and > > > number > > > > > of courses. Can anyone point me in the direction of further > > information > > > on > > > > > this topic? > > > > > > > > > > David Cameron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
