Michael, No, it resulted in the opposite problem. The strings were about 2 mm above the neck at the join with the body, and there wasn't enough of an angle to the strings for them to clear the frets as I played, no matter how much I dropped the diameters of the frets as I went down the neck. I ended up making a new bridge that was higher and increased the angle of the strings (I also made the bridge higher on the bass side by about 1 mm, since most of the problem was on the 6th and 7th courses). I had angled back the neck on purpose (as you say, I was following Lundberg's advice), but I over-did it. The thought of taking the neck off and re-angling it was more than I wanted to contemplate, so the bridge seemed like the only alternative. In a way, it was an interesting problem and taught me a lot about string set-up and how to deal with problems. I learned that I could remove a bridge that had been glued (firmly) with hide glue and not damage the soundboard. Fortunately, I'm not making a living doing this, so I can screw up without it affecting my income. I would have been very unhappy if this lute had been intended for a client.
Tim On Friday, June 17, 2005, at 05:57 PM, Michael Thames wrote: > >> I just got finished fixing a problem with the >> neck angling back too much, so I've had reason to know >what the >> effect of neck angle will be > > Timothy, sounds like you were reading Lundberg's bad advice about > angling the neck back. It should be angled forward. As you see this > doesn't > work out so well. Unless you like the strings to float 10mm off the > top. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "timothy motz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: Built-in action? > > >> Michael, > Sure it does. If the neck angles back it brings the strings closer > to paralleling the neck, assuming that the height of the nut and > bridge stay the same. That in turn means that there is a limit to > how high you can raise the action by raising the nut before the > strings actually angle the wrong way relative to the neck. But the > angle of the neck doesn't have much affect on how high up off the > soundboard the strings will be. That is mostly determined by the > height of the bridge. I just got finished fixing a problem with the > neck angling back too much, so I've had reason to know what the > effect of neck angle will be. > > Tim >> >> >> ---- Original Message ---- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, [EMAIL PROTECTED], >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: Built-in action? >> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:20:55 -0600 >> >>>> Vance wrote, >>>> This is not entirely true. The most significant influence >upon >> the action >>>> of the Lute is the relationship between the nut and the >bridge and >> how >>> large >>>> the clearance is at the joint between the neck and the >belly. >>> >>> Vance this isn't true either. The only thing the angle of the >> neck >>> will affect, is how high off the top the strings ride at the bridge. >> It has >>> nothing to do with the action. >>> Michael Thames >>> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "lute list" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Herbert Ward" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:34 AM >>> Subject: Re: Built-in action? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Herbert Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:35 PM >>>> Subject: Built-in action? >>>> Hi Herbert: >>>> >>>> You wrote: The action depends on where the _tops_ of the frets >> are, >>>>> which is controlled by the person who chooses the fret >>>>> diameters. >>>> This is not entirely true. The most significant influence upon >> the action >>>> of the Lute is the relationship between the nut and the bridge and >> how >>> large >>>> the clearence is at the joint between the neck and the belly. If >> this is >>>> not right it does not matter what kind of frets you choose to put >> on the >>>> Lute, the action will forever suck. The reason that a Lute over >> time will >>>> develop a slower or higher action is due to this joint becoming >> less than >>>> 180 degrees because the tension of the strings has pulled the neck >> higher. >>>> >>>> Vance Wood. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a regard for the dedication and talent of luthiers, >>>>> who build fine instruments from unformed chunks of wood. >>>>> >>>>> Nevertheless, I do not quite understand why they are >>>>> credited with the action of a lute. >>>>> >>>>> The luthier's work merely determines where the _bottoms_ >>>>> of the frets are. >>>>> >>>>> The action depends on where the _tops_ of the frets are, >>>>> which is controlled by the person who chooses the fret >>>>> diameters. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > >
