Yes, that's the point. But editors of lute music tebnd to favor these days the Schrade/Kohlhase grand staff. I think it works well with baroque lute music,as Doug Smith and Tim Crawford have demonstrated in their Weiss edition, and as Kohlhase demonstrated in te New Bach Edition. But for the type of four-part polyphony you find in muchRenassance lute music, I findit an awkward way to transcribe. One has to do it guitar-wise. That is the soprano and alto lines are in the treble clef with the stems up, and the tenor and bass lines are in the bass clef with the stems down.
Oh Schrade/Kohlase grand staff. The grand staff, but pushed together so there isroomonly for middle C.That is, spaced as if there are 11 lines, with middle C being the 11th. But middle C noted with a ledger. It is usually called the Kohlhase staff, but Schrade used it earlier and Doug Smith also. Doug Smithis surely responsible for its revival. Ciao ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg M. Silverman To: Arthur Ness Cc: Eugene C. Braig IV ; lute list Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:36 PM Subject: Re: French Lutenist about to release a worldwide first- the Book of Perrine Arthur Ness wrote: >There is a belief in some quarters of the guitar world that the grand staff is used for keyboard music so that each hand has a separate staff. Hence the Schrade (Kohlhase) staff. But with baroque lute music, the right hand will frequently play in the bass clef. So the two staves do not mark a separation point between thehands. > > Well, sure, but also for piano music the left hand often crosses over into the treble clef and vice versa for the right hand going into the bass clef, so point is that there really is no point, Ja? ;-) Greg-- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg M. Silverman > To: Eugene C. Braig IV > Cc: Arthur Ness ; lute list > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:20 PM > Subject: Re: French Lutenist about to release a worldwide first- the Book of Perrine > > > Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: > > >At 08:57 AM 7/2/2005, Arthur Ness wrote: > > > > > >>...There is a transcrption of the 1680 edition. But it is for keyboard > >>(ed.Erdas for Ut Orpheus),and ALL THE SPECIAL FINGERINGS FOR LUTE ARE LEFT > >>OUT!!!! This is a resujlt of that disease guitar players seem to have, > >>when they claim that when lute music is in pitch notation it is for > >>keyboard. > >> > >>Lute music in pitch notation has historically often been on two staves. > >>That is the standard way of notating lute music in pitch notation. Harps, > >>marimbas, hymns are notated on two staves, and we don't call that keyboard > >>notation, do we? Guitarists don't know that when you play a keyboard the > >>hands somehow work together automatically. > >> > >> > > > > > >Well, not ALL guitarists. > > > > > > Yes, what about those guitarists that also play keyboard. > > Greg-- > >-- > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- Greg Silverman EnHS Health Studies University of MN email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 612-625-6870 fax: 612-624-3370 --
