Hi all,
Although I am not nearly in Rob's class as a builder, I too build in a small workshop (9X9 feet) next to the laundry area in my basement. I've accumulated power tools mainly for renovating my house, but they are mostly benchtop sized. I have a cheap Taiwanese 14 inch bandsaw that I bought used in the garage with a 3/4 inch blade on it for resawing. It doesn't have a dust port on it, so it stays out in the garage where the dust won't get on the clothes in the laundry area. I built myself a thickness sander capable of handling soundboards up to 15 inches wide. It too lives in the garage, as does a cheapie Delta benchtop table saw. That doesn't get used much in lutherie, but I found that blade stabilizers made a big difference in its performance. The Taiwanese saw also started performing better once I put a Timber Wolf blade on it. It now cuts much more efficiently; it was like increasing the size of the motor.

Indoors I have a 9 inch Delta bandsaw, a tabletop drill press and a tabletop mini lathe that is sold for hobbyists making wooden pens. I used to use it to make pegs, but I've found an Indian company that sells them at a reasonable price. I may still make pegs for my own lutes; I have certainly accumulated enough apple wood for that. I have a Luthier's Friend that goes on the drill press; I use that for thicknessing ribs and for a lot of other things. I usually prep the soundboards out in the garage on the bigger thickness sander in batches and work on the ribs on the Luthier's Friend in the basement as I have time. There is an old radial arm saw in the basement that I bought used for work on the house; it doesn't get used much in lutherie, though.

Like Rob, I look for old hand tools. I use a block plane that belonged to my grandfather that passed to me when my father died. I like to remember him when I use it. You can find nice planes in "antique" stores for about $25 or $30 (but check the blades for deep nicks). I have a nice fore plane that cost me $30 that I use all the time. Many of the old hand tools were given up when power tool equivalents became common for cabinetmakers and finish carpenters, so the old ones go pretty cheap. You can make jigs and things like shooting boards yourself as you need them. Good scrapers are a must; the ones I can get in local hardware stores don't have hard enough steel, so I buy from either Woodcraft or lutherie supply stores. I broke down and bought a violin maker's thumb plane when I had to do some remedial work to lower the action on a lute; it's also great for shaving down bracing. I have a set of small mushroom-handled chisels sold for woodblock printmakers which are perfect for fine work.

If you are starting out, you can often get things done for you by the lutherie supply houses. LMI will glue up a soundboard and thickness sand it for you for a reasonable charge. The first lutes I built had ribs made from thin wood from a hobby supply store. At 24 inches, it was just barely long enough for a G lute. And you can get creative. Rather than invest in a luthier's bending iron at first, I made a bending form and used a steam iron to bend the wood to conform to the form. Don't plan on using the steam iron for clothes again; I had an old one. You can find old irons in thrift shops.

If you have a Craig's List web page for your area, you can watch it for used tools. Often people will sell an entire workshop of tools that belonged to a deceased parent which they have no use for. The tools might be 50 years old, but if they are in good condition and the price is favorable, go for it.

For sharpening I am quite iconoclastic; I use emery wet-dry sandpaper on a marble tile. You can find grits up to 2000 in the auto repair section of a DIY store; it's used between coats when repainting cars. With a 2000 grit sandpaper you can get an edge so smooth it looks like it was polished. Just put a little water on the tile and put the paper on top of it; the paper will stick and once you wet the sandpaper you can use it for sharpening. If the sandpaper loads up, just toss it and get a new sheet. I also cheat and use a honing guide. I didn't bother much with sharpening when I was younger and doing home repair work, but once I got interested in lutherie I realized what a difference it made.

The power tools I would hate to do without are the little band saw and the benchtop drill press. With those in your shop and some basic hand tools, you can do almost anything needed in lutherie. I have even resawed ribs with the little band saw, although it was a slow process because it is very under-powered. If you are going to resaw on one of these, get a Timberwolf blade. The benchtop lathe is handy too, but as I said above, at first you can buy pegs made by others. I splurged and got a duplicator attachment so my pegs are reasonably uniform.

You really don't want to go the New Yankee Workshop route and buy thousands of dollars worth of tools just to see if you like lutherie. Start small and modest and buy good quality tools as you develop your skills and can foresee a continued need for them.

If you go to Larry Brown's web site, you can see that he is working out of a pleasant room in his basement, and he's made something like 1200 instruments. So you don't need a big fancy shop to do quality work.

Tim


On Dec 8, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Rob Dorsey wrote:

Hi Dana and All,

With all respect for Dana's woodworking skills, which must be vast to build pipe organs, I must disagree on the tools necessary to build lutes, even in some quantity. My shop is currently a corner of our basement and measures 10'x8'. The only power tools I use are, a Delta 14" band saw (for general sawing and re-sawing with a 1/2" wide blade), a table top drill press, a corded and cordless drill, a disk sander and a dremmel tool. The one other big power item is a Jet mini wood lathe for pegs. Everything else is done
with hand tools. I prefer to get my chisels from eBay since I can find
vintage socket chisels which make it easy to replace the handles. I sharpen with Japanese water stones. I have a collection of small planes, several of which I made for a specific task such as cutting the shelf for a binding on a lute top. My most expensive hand tools are a couple from Lie Nielsen, a small scraper plane and a low angle smoothing plane. Otherwise it's Stanley
all the way.

I built me first lute on a drafting table in my apartment in Portland. While I did some of the work at Bob Lundeberg's shop I did most of it at home,
even carving the mould, making huge mess.

It's not so much the amount of equipment you can gather that makes the lute. It's having the fire in your belly to do it and the guts to get about it.

Best,
Rob Dorsey
http://RobDorsey.com

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Sorry all, I should have waited to reply, my previous posting was incomplete
because of time constraints.

To build from plans and use wood bought from commercial sources (rather than as a kit) you will want access to a general woodworking shop - resawing bandsaw, ordinary bandsaw, table saw, jointer, planer. Many large cities
have woodworking clubs.  I build pipe organs for a living, and have
permission to use the shops tools for small home projects (I pay rent when
doing work for sale).  Sometimes you can find a medium or small size
cabinet/millwork shop that resells excess wood and does small-scale millwork for a reasonable fee, or one that allows employees to earn tips for small amounts of ad-hoc millwork on provided wood. Do you and the shop the favor of providing a sketch showing precisely what you want done; also, be careful
not to impose, friday at closing is not the best time, tho a half hour
earlier may have been ideal.

For soundboard tuning you want cabinet scrapers and small planes,
spokeshaves, and gouges, look to the ample violin making literature for
details on use.

Sharpening equipment for all your tools, and a reference book for sharpening angles (in metals) which you will augment for the woods you use. A plate of glass plus wet/dry paper (scary-sharp system), traditional european oil stones, traditional japanese water stones, each of these systems has some advantage, and there are machines one can invest in to help with precision and speed. Dont assume any tool fresh from the store is ready for use, plane soles are ground flat, but may have sprung, and usually are only sorta
flat; frogs need adjustment if not reshaping; irons and cap irons need
resharpening and honeing, then bedding.

The proper cutting angle for a chisel/gouge varys according to the nature of
the wood to be worked.  Woods with diffuse small pores can tolerate a
stronger angled edge which will last longer (Maple, Apple..) Softer woods with larger pores (diffuse or not) will be more air than cellulose and need
a more acute cutting angle which is more fragile (pine, spruce..).
Woods which are hard in places but also have rings of large pores (Jatoba, Oak, Ash) are a compromise, some cuts will need one tool, others a different one. Ideally you should have double sets of tools, but that is costly. Sometimes you must work with a tool not ideal but which will do the job with
care.

Manufacturors will give you a compromise angle which may not suit the work
you intend.

Minimal kit is a concept that is difficult to establish, so much depends on personal preference. Plan to spend time at yard and estate sales, tools are not always present, but when they are its often a good buy if only for the steel. Careful with complex pieces like a plain, often the sole will be worn out or split (wooden body), perhaps the iron is not original and wrong, perhaps a steeltipped iron has been oversharpened, perhaps a steel- bodied plane is warped, dented, or badly rusted beyond redemption. Still, old Stanleys, Records, and Baileys are worth $15-20 for you to experiment on tuning the plane up. Wooden bodied planes are easy to fabricate, if you have a usable iron, so even if the iron was wrong for the plane you have,
you can make something to use that iron.

A forge with anvils hammers and tongs is the ultimate tool, assuming you have a country place, tolerant neighbors and firecode. Most carvers with serious collections of tools at least make the handles, if not the blades. Used to be a store on 18th st in NYC that sold unhandled swiss tools (a
Sculpting school was nearby), I hope someone still does that retail,
hopefully online.

Oh, some of the items used by jewlers are useful - gravers, jewlers saw blades, reamers, needle files (in grades, #2 has alternatives, #0, #4 for
example).

A lifetime of various hobbies has built my tool collection, last time I moved it filled my car, leaving just a small amount of room for the driver (no lunch, no room to consult a map, luckily the car was towed behind a full rented truck). Dont know how I will move next time, I have of course added
to the collection, including a south bend lathe.

Oh, Yes, you need some way to make pegs. You dont need a lathe for that, you can carve the heads and shave the tapered shanks, but, lathe- turned
heads are prefereable.

Dont worry about the size of your tool chest, plan on having several of
them.
--
Dana Emery




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