I have had the same experience as Nancy, and playing consorts with a recorder was not a problem at all. You can just check that by listening to The Sacred End Pavin ( http://tinyurl.com/54jvhd ) and the Galliard to The Sacred End ( http://tinyurl.com/4tw9mp ). No bandora, a bass lute in D instead, and no cittern, a harp instead... The balance is satisfactory, at least to my ears ;-)
All the best, Jean-Marie ======= 06-10-2008 07:52:54 ======= > > I last played the broken consorts a long, long time ago with a recorder > and don't remember any problems with the octave shifts. I do remember > some concern about whether the lute was loud enough. > More recently I have enjoyed the CD by L'Poem Harmoniqe Love Is > Strange, which includes broken consorts and arrangements of duets. > Most (all?) of them are played with something other than the standard 6 > instruments and the performances really sound great to me. Since > hearing this I am becoming more in favor of looking at these consorts > as scores with possibilities for all kinds of arrangements. The LSA > Quarterly (February, 2008) has an article about playing the consorts > with less instruments by Andrew Hartig "Re-envisioning the Broken > Cosort: Doing More with Less." If any of you, who are not subscribers > would like a copy, email me back with a street address. > Nancy Carlin > > These are interesting questions. At the recent Lute Society weekend > Ian Harwood managed to assemble a consort at the high pitch - a > minor third above modern pitch. I played my "A lute" tuned up a > semitone, strung all in gut except for the top string which was > nylgut. For a gut string I think you would need a slightly shorter > string length (mine is 53.5cm). > The treble part was played on a treble violin, the size of which > made holding it quite tricky! The consort sounded good and the > advantage of the high pitch solution is that the flute/recorder > parts fit in the "correct" place in the texture. Ian does however > have a bass flute which allows a low pitch consort to achieve the > same thing. In any case I think it depends which pieces we're > talking about as to whether the octave displacement of the flute > causes a problem or not. Ian's "dual-pitch" hypothesis was > originally based on the sizes of surviving viols, but he also has > theories about the bandora which seem to make a lot of sense. I > can't remember how it all relates to the sizes of surviving citterns > but we used a small cittern for the high-pitch consort and it > sounded fine. > I note with interest that the designation "treble lute" and a high > pitch of about a minor third above modern fits nicely with the > notion that the "mean lute" was about a tone below modern pitch (a > fourth lower than the high pitch) - arguments for which I have made > elsewhere, e.g., in the brief essay on Dowland's lutes which can be > found at [1]www.johndowland.co.uk > Best wishes, > Martin > Sam Chapman wrote: > > Dear Lute list, > I'm in the process of organizing a consort in Basel to play, among > other things, pieces from the Morley consort lessons. Having read > various articles on the subject and listened to recordings of the > music, I'm left with some difficult questions: > What pitch should the music be played at? > What kind of flute should be used and should the part be played as > written or up an octave? > Why the designation for "treble lute" when clearly a G instrument is > intended? > These questions and others have been already been tackled by Ian > Harwood in his several articles, but I would be very interested to > hear other people's thoughts and opinions (and justifications). If > you > have experience performing this repertoire, how did you solve these > problems? > Many thanks, > Sam > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > Nancy Carlin Associates > P.O. Box 6499 > Concord, CA 94524 USA > phone 925/686-5800 fax 925/680-2582 > web site - [3]www.nancycarlinassociates.com > Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA > web site - [4]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org > -- > >References > > 1. http://www.johndowland.co.uk/ > 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 3. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ > 4. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. >Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 06-10-2008
