Mudarra, in his "Tres Libros..." of 1546 uses (only once, in #38
Fantasia (quinto tono), Lib. II, f. 14, bar 39) a fret labelled "XI", and it
is the eleventh fret (f# in g tuning). Interestingly, in regard to tempering
of frets, he never uses f#'s from different courses at the same time.
Regards,
Leonard Williams
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On 1/31/09 10:37 AM, "Richard Yates" <rich...@yatesguitar.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Dan. Yes, I understand about typos and the various kinds one
> encounters, and I think I can usually deduce by ear the correct fret to use.
> But the 'XI' symbol for the octave fret is probably not a typo as it (and no
> other) is used many times for that fret in the 1566 collections. The puzzle
> is that some folks here speculated that 'XI' was used for the octave fret
> because he had no eleventh fret. If that speculation is not true then what
> symbol WOULD be used for an eleventh fret? The spot I found at
> http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Neusidler.jpg (I think the only eleventh
> fret anywhere in those collections) suggests the possibility that 'XI' was
> used intentionally for both. But that seems implausible also. If either spot
> is a typo, what would have been the correct symbol?
>
>> Sorry if you thought your question wasn't answered- I thought
>> it pretty much was; specifically acknowledgement of the
>> ambiguity of some of the fret/note symbols, the typos that
>> occur in printed material, etc.- to me, just no big whoop one
>> way or the other. I have those two books in one volume of
>> Neusidler's works, (fine music
>> indeed) and I just play them as I see them, adjusting for the
>> typos or ambiguous symbols as they occur. So yes, in the
>> Recercar Terzo "XI" is indeed the 12 fret but in the Pass'e
>> mezo the same symbol is now the 11th fret, and so it goes.
>> Nothing further to unravel once the right notes are found.
>> I've actually found far worse typos in other parts of the
>> book- don't recall where off hand, if you run into them I'll
>> be happy to help out if possible. I think one cadence
>> somewhere was still a bit of a puzzle for me the last time I
>> read through it.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>> Perhaps it was overlooked in the surge of new threads, or maybe my
>>> question was just an uninteresting one with an obvious solution, but
>>> any response to the example I found below about the
>> mysterious Melchior
>>> eleventh fret would be much appreciated. RY
>>>
>>>> I ran across another spot that confounds the question of the
>> eleventh
>>>> fret and its notation. In the Pass'e mezo Milanese there is a 'XI'
>>>> symbol on the second course. It sounds to me like it should
>> be played
>>>> on the eleventh fret in contrast to other places (e.g.
>> Recercar Terzo)
>>>> where 'XI' seems to mean
>>>> twelfth (i.e. octave) fret. Can anyone unravel this one?
>>
>>
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