I simply meant moral implications followed the literal "lefterly" meaning of the word, whether tacked on during the reign of Rome or otherwise. Unlike "sinister", I believe the word "sinistral" rarely carries moral implications to English speakers, being more associated with technical or scientific usages. My point remains that I was not offering any moral implications with my initial use of the word "sinistral."
...But can we now chat on lutes instead? Best, Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: David Tayler <vidan...@sbcglobal.net> Date: Monday, February 9, 2009 8:42 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH position, was: Dilettantism To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > I don't kniow what you mean by "later"-- the moral implications > were > added at least as early as the Roman Empire. > It has to do with Augury. > The augurs, interestingly enough, formed a collegium. > dt > > > At 02:31 PM 2/9/2009, you wrote: > >No stance on morality was intended to be implied. > Sinistral literally means > >left handed/oriented. The moral implications were added later. > > > >Best, > >Eugene > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jean-Marie Poirier [mailto:jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr] > > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:07 PM > > > To: lute > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH position, was: Dilettantism > > > > > > What about this picture from 1601 (by Philippe Galle) : > > > http://le.luth.free.fr/lefties.htm > > > When in the same picture you can see an right-handed player > and a left- > > > handed one, I suppose it adds up to admitting that lefties > did exist, even > > > in a very small proportion, just like now. > > > And I don't really buy the "moral" justification to the > representation of > > > a lefty player... > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Jean-Marie, one rather happy lefty in the oppressed minority > ;-))) > > > > > > ======= 09-02-2009 21:45:56 ======= > > > > > > > > > > >The quid non sentit amor is the one I was thinking of > > > > >http://emblems.let.uu.nl/c1627_facsimile.html?thumb=tekst254&emblem=43> > > > > > >Lefty or reversi? > > > > > > > > 1627 or therabouts my Dutch is rusty. > > > >Use the ZOOM button at the bottom to see the OUD like plectrum. > > > >Ooops there is English too--not very helpful. > > > > > > > >dt > > > > > > > >>I still contend there may have been a few to many left- > handed lute > > > players: > > > >>perhaps as broadly represented as within the population at > large,> > perhaps > > > >>even more so. Nobody knows. Being right-handed > and fretting with the > > > left > > > >>hand are not a perfect corollaries. It also is not > mandatory for > > > lefties to > > > >>place the neck of a stringed instrument in their right > hand. I don't, I > > > >>never have, and I was never discouraged from expressing my > inherent> > >>sinistral tendencies. I also don't dictate > to my sinistral clan that my > > > way > > > >>(the standard way) is the only way. Make it work > however you can. > > > >> > > > >>Best, > > > >>Eugene > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: David Tayler [mailto:vidan...@sbcglobal.net] > > > >> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:18 PM > > > >> > To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu > > > >> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH position, was: Dilettantism > > > >> > > > > >> > Obviously, because there were no lefty lute players. > Except for > > > >> > Leonardo da Vinci. > > > >> > There are some nice lefty lute player images in the > fabulous emblem > > > >> > collection that was posted here recently. > > > >> > dt > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > At 04:25 AM 2/9/2009, you wrote: > > > >> > >On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier > > > >> > ><jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > > > >> > > > May I remind all of you interested in that thread > on hand > > > >> > > position, that I had put up a couple of web pages with > > > iconographical > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >http://le.luth.free.fr/ > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Nice pages, and not a lefty in sight! > > > >> > > > > > >> > >David > > > >> > > > > > >> > >-- > > > >> > >******************************* > > > >> > >David van Ooijen > > > >> > >davidvanooi...@gmail.com > > > >> > >www.davidvanooijen.nl > > > >> > >******************************* > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>To get on or off this list see list information at > > > >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > > > -------------- > > > >Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par > l'anti-virus mail. > > > >Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > > > jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr > > > http://poirierjm.free.fr > > > 09-02-2009 > > > > >
