Dear Anthony and All,

This is welcome news. Just a comment on the rough surface of the old nylgut:

Gut is not necessarily "rough" under the finger. In fact the Sofracob (no more - sigh!) and Kuerschner gut strings I have been using are very smooth and quiet. So I would be happy to think that the new Nylgut is smoother than the old (though it is possible to hand polish the old Nylgut a little to make it smoother).

As for the stretchiness, I would welcome less stretchiness for the thinnest strings, more stretchiness for the thicker strings. I also note that historical gut strings may have been even stretchier than the old Nylgut (Thomas Mace says they stretch "an inch or two" in the winding up - no gut treble I've ever had has stretched this much).

Bring on the new strings!  I never liked the white colour, either.

Best to All,

Martin

On 18/09/2010 13:53, Anthony Hind wrote:
    Dear Lutenists
             It seems that Mimmo Peruffo of Aquila, who is by formation a
    chemical engineer, as well as a string maker, has been busy making new
    synthetic strings.
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    Mimmo, fairly recently acquired an extrudor, as shown here:
    [1]http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
    and so I presume this has allowed him to develop these string on site.
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    The most interesting for lutenists and historical instrument players,
    would no doubt be the new nylgut, which has been developped to have the
    typical colour of gut and less stretch than the old NYLGUT.
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    These were the two qualities of Nylgut that many lutenists disliked,
    its white colour, and its great flexibility; some actually preferred a
    nylon top string, even when they used nylgut on lower strings.
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    Have any of you had a chance to try these out? If so, how do they
    actually compare, in your view, to the old nylgut?
    Perhaps, this has already been discussed, here, and I have missed the
    posting, but the only reference to it, I have come accross on a web
    search, is from the Ukele player,  Ken Midlleton:
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    "There is almost no difference in sound between the old Nylgut and the
    new ones. The main difference is the feel of them. The main difference
    in sound is the noise your fingers make when they move over the
    strings. The newer ones are less noisy." KM
    [2]http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
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    Does this mean that the new Nylgut is smoother than the old one? If so,
    this one characteristic might actually be less like gut-like? I
    remember, David Tayler's advice on sand papering Carbon strings in
    order to diminish their bell-like sound associated with their
    smoothness relative to gut.
    However, the other new characteristics would probably be a welcome
    improvement.
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    K.M. is not comparing the New nylgut to gut, just with the old version;
    and so his remarks may not be significant for lute players.
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            From KM's postings, I also learnt that Aquila has developped a
    new  Bionylon. you can hear his Youtube recording comparing Bionylon
    and the old Nylgut on the same Ukele model:
    [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
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    A search on Aquila's pages showed that this new "eco-friendly" nylon
    string, is made mainly from "castor oil". It may become available in
    diameters for use on lutes, but Aquila says :
    "We recommend Bionylon(R) strings for all plucked instruments such as
    classical guitars and ukuleles. Colour: natural pearl"
    [4]http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
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    According to comments on KM's string test, Bionylon might be dryer
    sounding than the old Nylgut.
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    The same page on Materials used by Aquila, mentions a variant of Nylgut
    made specifically for guitar-players using nails, which they call
    "Silkgut".
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    "We can define Silkgut(R) like a cousin of Nylgut(R). The difference
    between Nylgut(R) and Silkgut(R) is that the Silkgut(R) is a bit
    stiffer than Nylgut(R). In other therms it last longer under the finger
    nails of guitar- players. Silkgut(R) is suitable for classical guitar
    Trebles and modern Harp's strings. Colour: silked."
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    How Silkgut and the new Nylgut differ (apart from colour) is not clear,
    as presumably they are both stiffer than the old Nylgut.
    Presumably, Silkgut is just not aimed at lute players, and it might be
    available in limited diameters.
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    Do any of you have further information about any of these strings?
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    How might the new Nylgut effect the sound and feel of wire-wound Nylgut
    strings, or might Mimmo produce a Nylgut specifically for this?
    How about a loaded Nylgut bass string?
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    Regards
    Anthony

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References

    1. http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
    2. http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
    4. http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj


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