Dear all,
Just a couple of things to point out:
As far as I recall, Hoppy plays the Toccata Arpeggiata on the lute
rather than the theorbo, which might account for his choice of arpeggio
pattern.
In Ms. Barb. Lat. 4145 you can find exactly the same arpeggio sign as
used by Kapsberger and Piccinini, but it is clearly used to mean a pima
arpeggio (f.14v). According to Coehlo, Kapsberger was partly
responsible for copying this Ms (albeit not this folio), and it clearly
shows that even if Kapsberger did not use it himself, the "a" finger
was definitely employed by other players when playing arpeggios on the
theorbo, in the same place and at the same time...
(Also, have a look at Castaldi's Arpeggiata a mio modo to see how he
played arpeggios "his way"!)
Personally, I play the arpeggios as Kapsberger describes, but wouldn't
discount the other options. If you're in the area, I'll be playing both
Arpeggiatas (along with other pieces from Kapsberger, Piccinini,
Castaldi, Frescobaldi) in a concert in Pabianicach, Poland this
Saturday:
[1]http://www.rotwl.pl/iv_midzynarodowy_festiwal_muzyka_wiata_w,973,0,0
.html
All the best,
Sam
On 19 October 2010 02:43, Bruno Correia <[2]bruno.l...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Christopher,
Bruno,
You're correct. The author advises not to use the 'a' finger.
The reason behind this and other arcane mysteries will be explained
in Kapsperger's new book "Kapsperger della musica." Coming soon to
a bookseller near you!
True, unfortunately the book is lost or maybe never came out of
print.
HK only gives p-i-m-i and Picinnini advises the same way except in
very quick passages where you can strum the chords "in a single
blow
as on the lute." I personally don't think they cared about always
going from low to high, but who knows?
It's interesting that both Kaps. and Piccinini give very similar
examples of arpeggios, and both exclude the use of the (a) finger.
The
direction of the pattern is a controversial subject, but I think
you
are right about this. Musicologist, Victor Coelho, also points in
this
direction in his article "Frescobaldi and the lute and chitarrone
toccatas of 'Il tedesco della tiorba' ".
Bruno.
Chris
Christopher Wilke
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
[1][3]www.christopherwilke.com
--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Bruno Correia <[2][4]bruno.l...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> From: Bruno Correia <[3][5]bruno.l...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Toccata
> To: "Lute List" <[4][6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:27 PM
> Howard,
>
>
>
> Exactly the way I'm doing. No (a) finger
> (the author adverts against
> its use!) and always following the
> pattern you describe. Not easy to do
> in certain chords...
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2010/10/18 howard posner <[1][5][7]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
>
> On Oct 18, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Thomas
> Schall wrote:
> > Hoppy plays it p-i-m-i-a-i-m-i (if I
> recall correctly)
>
> I hope not. I think you
> p-i-m-i-p-i-m-i. Kapsberger's instruction
> in the front of the book are
> pretty clear, if I recall: keep the
> same pattern, rather than
> arpeggiating bottom to top all the time.
>
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