LOL! :-) I just hope that Wayne and or others don't get upset over this
funny silliness clogging their inboxes...this is the last thing I am
going to say about it! Sorry...but I had some GREAT laughs! You are
ALL wonderful people...
Warm regards and God bless,
BJ
__________________________________________________________________
From: Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com>
To: dwinh...@comcast.net; brentl...@bellsouth.net
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Mon, February 6, 2012 12:32:08 PM
Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
Now, then. Careful with the allusions to delusions or I might have to
send my cousin Ludovico Grosso da Venice Beach to your address.
RA
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:34:49 -0800
> To: brentl...@bellsouth.net
> CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> From: dwinh...@comcast.net
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
>
> Yes- 3.5 mm fistmele for the average cricket longbow sounds about
right. But cricket lutes are gonna be tight, whether they even played
lutes is still controversial. Entymusicologists have been wrestling
with this question for decades. John Milton Ward and Howard Meyer Brown
actually came to blows over this one- it all turned on a
misunderstanding of Medieval Arab units of measurement relating to
Locust ouds, a thankless task for even the most dedicated
investigators. The Pepito Grillo artifact rescued from a Libyan anthill
in 1922 turned out to be totally bogus. Adding to the acrimony is the
original text of the famous Josquin chanson- "El grillo non cantare".
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:56 AM, brentlynk wrote:
>
> > Thanks Dan!
> > But if one happens to be an English cricket, his longbow might be
that small,
> > LOL! :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Daniel Winheld <dwinh...@comcast.net>
> > To: brentlynk <brentl...@bellsouth.net>
> > Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu List" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 2:29:46 PM
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
> >
> >
> >
> > My Baroque lute (Robert Lundberg, 1977) is a bare touch less than 4
mm at both
> > 9th and 10th frets (1st string lines up exactly with the line on my
ruler- to
> > top of fret). Feels fine, would not want it lower & certainly no
higher.
> >
> > The fistmele of an English Longbow (distance from the bottom of the
string to
> > the surface of the inside of the bow when braced) should be the
distance from
> > the edge of the hand to end of the extended thumb, approx. 6-1/4",
depending of
> > course on various factors- length of the bow, size of the archer,
etc. A little
> > more room to play around with than the lute action distance.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:45 AM, brentlynk wrote:
> >
> >> P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was
the "max" that
> >
> >> the expert/master luthier told me was "acceptable"...My 10-course
was in for
> >> repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the
action had
> >> risen
> >>
> >> to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it
plays a
> >> GREAT
> >>
> >> deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to
the action
> >> on
> >>
> >> baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot
arrows with, LOL!
> >
> >> :-)
> >>
> >> Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening,
> >> BJ
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@gmail.com>
> >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk <brentl...@bellsouth.net>
> >> Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM
> >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
> >>
> >> 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm.
> >> RT
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "brentlynk"
<brentl...@bellsouth.net>
> >> To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM
> >> Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello Everyone!
> >>>
> >>> Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for
me to ask a
> >>> quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-)
> >>>
> >>> What is the "ideal action" at the neck/body joint on 13 course
baroque lute
> >>> with
> >>> a 72 cm vibrating string length "supposed" to be? I realize that
this could
> > be
> >>> "subjective," based upon individuals and their playing styles,
etc...But is
> >>> there a general consensus of a "range" that most people consider
ideal?
> >>>
> >>> IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the
question:
> >>>
> >>> I have played ten course renaissance lute for the past 20 years,
and was told
> >
> >>> by
> >>> a great luthier that "4 mm of clearance is acceptable at the
neck/body joint
> >>> for
> >>> a 63 cm vibrating string length, 10 course renaissance lute." He
also said
> >>> that
> >>> on smaller renaissance lutes, such as six course lutes,
(especially with
> > those
> >>> with shorter string lengths...) the ideal action is even lower
than that at
> >> the
> >>> neck/body joint -- say, "around 3 mm of clearance at the
neck/body joint." I
> >> am
> >>> NOT a luthier and have no clue...I am only repeating what I was
told by a
> > very
> >>> reputable luthier who knows his stuff. He gets this newsletter,
so perhaps
> >>> he'll
> >>> answer this question along with others? :-)
> >>>
> >>> Anyhow, the reason I ask is that soon, I am going to be blessed
with a 13
> >>> course
> >>> baroque lute with a 72 cm vibrating string length, and I am
wondering what
> > the
> >>> general consensus is on the action for such a lute? Is 4 mm to 5
mm of string
> >>> clearance at the neck/body joint acceptable? Or is that too low?
Or too
> > high?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I realize that we are talking about millimeters here...I don't
literally mean
> >
> >>> to
> >>> splice hairs, LOL :-). I am also wondering if the action on a 13
course
> >> baroque
> >>> lute of 72 cm should/could/would be even higher than 5 mm?
Personally,
> > having
> >>> only played renaissance lute up to 10 courses thus far, I have
always
> >> preferred
> >>> the lowest action possible without buzzing...But since the 72
cm,13 course
> >>> baroque lute I am referring to is so much longer than what I am
currently
> > used
> >>> to with the 10 course, 63 cm lute I play, I want to make sure I
know what to
> >>> expect... (I am happy to make the transition and adjust
accordingly...no
> >>> worries!)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >>> BJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at
> >>> [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
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