Thanks Rob. This is interesting. Presumably the publisher/record
company must get something worthwhile out of this, or they wouldn't be
agreeing to let Spotify include their tracks. Either that or they view
it as a marketing tool that will encourage listeners to buy the
download or the CD. It works that way with me, but presumably I'm in a
minority.
Not being of the 'download' generation, and finding the sleeve notes
greatly enhance my listening enjoyment, I tend to buy the CD of
anything I like. Tony Bailes' recent 'Netherlands' CD cost me over
-L-20 including postage and tax from the record company (Carpe Diem) in
Germany. I wonder how much of that will end up in Tony's pocket?
Unfortunately, the music industry is in a mess these days, and nobody
has yet found a way to make sure the artist gets their due. Illegal
downloads and dodgy CDs are, of course, rife, but it would appear to be
the case, too, that even when things are done legally, the artist is at
the end of the queue for picking up their meagre share of the takings.
Bill
From: Rob MacKillop <robmackil...@gmail.com>
To: William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu" <baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 12:01
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French
music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Will I be shot down in flames by suggesting you don't use Spotify? The
thing is a massive rip off. The musician gets almost nothing for being
on it. Lady Gaga had over a million plays on it, and received just over
100 dollars. Imagine what Anthony Bailes would receive... Many
musicians are boycotting the site, including Bob Dylan, who doesn't
need the money, but wants to support other artists.
We all want something for free, but sometimes the cost is too high.
I'm not talking about the income musicians get from CDs, which is very
small in our lute world, but the record companies will not bother
making any more lute recordings is even we as lute players do not
support them.
Sorry, Bill. I know you bought the disc, so full marks there. But I
want others to think about using Spotify, what it entails. Sadly, I'm
also on Spotify - I had no control over it, and didn't even know I was
there until someone asked for a free score of pieces he was listening
to me play on Spotify...and got annoyed at me when I said no.
Rob MacKillop
On 16 March 2012 11:31, William Samson <[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Hi Martyn,
Go to [1][2]www.spotify.com where you can download the player onto
your
computer.
There are then two options - you can go for the free version which
has
occasional ads between tracks, or the paid version that is
ad-free.
Being a Scotsman I put up with the ads!
Best wishes,
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson <[3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: William Samson <[4]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 11:17
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French
music
was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Thanks Bill - how does one access spotify?
rgds
M--- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[5]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
From: William Samson <[6]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French
music
was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[7]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 10:38
I just found that this album can be listened to on Spotify if you
have
access to it. It's free to use in the UK, but I can't say how
things
are elsewhere.
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson <[8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "[9]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[10]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>;
Edward Martin <[11]e...@gamutstrings.com>; William Samson
<[12]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 9:04
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music
was:
Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change
of
heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string
length
of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a
gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present
manifestation as an 11 course instrument . Again see earlier
editions
of Lute News for more information/views. The preferred
instruments at
the time (ie converted early 16th cenury Italian lutes) generally
had
a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute News 94, page 28 which
outlines
the principle sources of evidence for the size of lutes preferred
in
mid/late 17th century France). But bear in mind (as Lute News
notes)
"Of course, this is not to say that it is 'wrong' to play the
music on
such a large lute and, indeed, the French repertoire whilst being
challenging for interpretation (precise phrasing, accent,
articulation, mannerisms and the like), is much less demanding
for the
left hand and a large instrument is clearly quite possible: it's
more
a question of what the Old Ones themselves might have expected".
Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony
Bailes's performance. regards Martyn PS the CD of music played
on
this instrument which I reported as being out over a year ago in
fact
refers to a previous CD played on the same instrument.........
--- On
Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[2][13]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
From: William Samson <[3][14]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject:
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson"
<[4][15]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>,
"[5][16]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[6][17]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>, "Edward Martin"
<[7][18]e...@gamutstrings.com> Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 8:33
Hi
Martyn, Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is?
Bill From: Martyn Hodgson
<[1][8][19]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: [2][9][20]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin
<[3][10][21]e...@gamutstrings.com> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012,
8:08
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear
Edward,
Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in
Europe
for over a year. Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes
later
agreed (see letters in Lute News from No 94, August
2010
on), the large Wenger lute used on the recording (if indeed
it
was built as a lute and not a gallichon - the instruments
for
which Wenger was best known) is not the most suitable (or
appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th
century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early
16th
century Italian instruments were then the most highly
regarded.
Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '......a lute
the
size of the Wenger should not find acceptance as being
ideal for
the performance of 17th century French lute music,......'
regards Martyn --- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin
<[1][4][11][22]e...@gamutstrings.com> wrote: From: Edward
Martin
<[2][5][12][23]e...@gamutstrings.com> Subject:
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne
Anthony Bailes CD To:
[3][6][13][24]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 2:50 Dear Ones,
For
those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque
lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee
label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains
works
of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his
authentic
lute by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The
catalog
number is RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in
usual
outlets. This is an announcement, not a review. The
instrument
is a large one, and the pitch is consequently quite low, at
a70,
in essence making it in a b-minor tuning. Beautiful sound
and
playing, highly recommended. ed Edward
Martin
2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812
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