Understanding now that this is a version for beginners, I apologize for telling Arto to throw away anything pedagogical from Anthony Rooley's hand. But Arto is ready to move beyond the beginner's version!
Dan Dan On Jun 15, 2012, at 1:29 PM, Denys Stephens wrote: > Dear Arto, > I think you must have a photocopy of the version from pages 29-30 > of Anthony Rooley's 'A new varietie of lute lessons' which was > published in 1975 together with an LP of all the pieces in the > book. It was rather an exciting idea at the time. It formed part > of a series of publications of 'music from student repertoire' > published by Guitar Magazine, which is the reason why the piece > is simplified by the exclusion of the more difficult sections. > The tablature was hand written by Michael Hunt, who also wrote > out some of the early Lute Society tablature sheets, which is > why it could easily be mistaken for a Lute Society production. > I have always found the split third course section in the > full version of the piece much easier to do in practice than > it might seem to be in theory, especially when you have the > right lute to play it on. It completely confounds, of course, > tablature programs, which have no way of replicating this > notation. > > The use of the title 'Padoana Venetiana' for the piece is > interesting. It has somehow entered the realm of lute > mythology that this is the proper title of the piece - which > as you have noted, it isn't! My guess is that this comes from > a misreading of the introductory material in Otto Gombosi's 1955 > edition of the Capirola lute book, where he describes the Capirola > padoana as belonging to the 'family' of dances which includes > Dalza's pavanas 'alla Venetiana,' although he doesn't give the > piece that title. But at the time of Tony Rooley's book, the > Capirola manuscript was only known from the Gombosi edition, > as there were no facsimilies of it available then. The padoana > itself seems to have been a lute players standard piece, and may > not have been composed by Capirola at all, although his version is > very elegant. Other versions of it are found in Newsidler's > 'Ein newes lautenbuchlein' of 1540, and more famously as 'the > Duke of Somersett's Dompe' in Ms. Royal Appendix 58. It's > particularly interesting that there is a 'Pavana deta la > descordata' which is clearly based on the same theme in > the Castelfranco Veneto manuscript, which seems to be Giovanni > Pacalono's reworking of the piece. It was still in circulation > and popular well after the time of the Capirola manuscript. > > Best wishes, > > Denys > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf > Of Arto Wikla > Sent: 15 June 2012 19:44 > To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] An old Capirola edition? > > Dear lutenists > I played an old version of a "Padoana Veneziana", old _modern version_ > of this piece. It seems to be a free edition of the real Capirola .23. > "Padoana belissima, descorda come sancta trinitas" (Minkoff page 54). > In the original the 6th course is lowered a whole tone, the edition > uses the 7th. The original has a special section that separates the > strings of the 4th course, the edition luckily not! ;-) The edition > also misses some sections of the original. But the edition is fun to > play! :-) Also the attribute "Veneziana" seems to be a modern > interpretation? The piece is in > [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElFIRz2WWxM&feature=youtu.be > [2]http://vimeo.com/44120062 > I have only an old photocopy page of the edition, no editor name there. > French tab. Looks like old Lute Society edition? Anyone happens to know > the editor or the reason for this Padoana being "Veneziana"? > Best, > Arto > -- > > References > > Visible links > 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElFIRz2WWxM&feature=youtu.be > 2. http://vimeo.com/44120062 > > Hidden links: > 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElFIRz2WWxM&feature=youtu.be > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
