---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sam Chapman <[1]manchap...@gmail.com> Date: 2 December 2012 00:38 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace? To: Markus Lutz <[2]mar...@gmlutz.de> About string holes: I generally use Stoppani plain gut basses at high tension (c. 3.5kg) on all my lutes - sometimes I cut the string down to size to get it through the hole. Even reducing the width of the string by half puts it in no danger of breaking when tuned up to whatever bass note it should be at. The cut portion of the string passes through the hole and in no way affects the vibrating length of the string. I'm very happy with the sound and don't find it any duller than that the loaded strings I've tried. All the best, Sam On 30 November 2012 12:12, Markus Lutz <[3]mar...@gmlutz.de> wrote:
Am 29.11.2012 16:10, schrieb R. Mattes: On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:04:48 +0100, Markus Lutz wrote Hi Shaun, Hi Martyn, unfortunately I cannot say too much on this topic, at least for the 17th century. [...] Another important source, though late, on all topics of life is Kruenitz, Oeconomische Encyclopaedie. Probably it also depends on the encyclopedy of Diderot and on other encyclopedys, for sure at least some things will have been copied. It has 242 volumes and describes many things very detailed. He has big articles on the lute and on strings Kruenitz, Artikel Laute (lute, vol. 66, p. 380ff, 1795) But this is rather late as a source for information on 17th century lute practice (or even for the first half of the 18th century). There have been two changes in lute building during that time: first, the extension of the bass range by adding a second pegbox (swank neck lutes) and then the change to bass rider style lutes during the 18th century (the later could well be a in response to a wider availability of overspun bass strings). Yes, this is pretty late - as I said, an I never claimed anything on the use of overspun strings in the 17th century. And I don't know, when they were used first, but I would guess at least in the end of the 17th and beginning of the 18th century. But anyway these encyclopedies reflect the things that had been there for many years. If you look at the article on lutes you will see that it consist of different sources, some still have the renaissance tuning/stringing in mind and others that describe the baroque lute. In this article Baron is cited quite extensive, and also they used the articles of Luise Gottsched in Gottscheds "Handlexicon oder Kurzgefasstes Woerterbuch der schoenen Wissenschaften und freyen Kuenste" We cannot at all compare an encyclopedy of that time with our time (or wikipedia). Changes then had been much slower and they are more a summing up and mixing old and new things. But this article says nothing on the first use of overspun strings. BTW: The development of the extended bass range indeed is vice versa at least in "Germany". First there had been lutes with bass riders (ca. 1719), afterwards the 13-course lutes had been theorbified (around 1730). Although there had been other theorbified lutes up to the late 17th century, the theorbifying of the baroque lute had been ascribed to Silvius Leopold Weiss, who probably first combined this with a 13-course lute. Best regards Markus -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg [4]r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz Schulstrasse 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail [6]mar...@gmlutz.de -- Sam Chapman Oetlingerstrasse 65 4057 Basel (0041) 79 530 39 91 -- Sam Chapman Oetlingerstrasse 65 4057 Basel (0041) 79 530 39 91 -- References 1. mailto:manchap...@gmail.com 2. mailto:mar...@gmlutz.de 3. mailto:mar...@gmlutz.de 4. mailto:r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:mar...@gmlutz.de