"Excellent practice for jumping in and out of the E-flat chord is Luis Milan's "Pavana III". He has you jumping back and forth from E-flat to A-flat at his tempo of "Compas algo apriesa"- somewhat fast."

-Just came up from the lab- tried out the Neusidler 4-finger chord fingering pattern with the Milan Pavana- works surprisingly well for most of the piece, forces the 3rd & 4th fingers to do some good work. Some spots one can do the E-flat chord with a full 1st finger barre (spots w/o an open 1st-g)- a lot easier for some than the hyperextended partial barre. One spot requires sacrificing the 3rd course/1st fret b-flat, but it's a spot that works fine. Near the end of the Pavana is an E-flat to D-flat chord jump that is wonderfully awkward- not to be missed! (Or easy to play.)

This was done using a 64 cm. SL vihuela, not quite "double-wide" string spacing, using the average medium-large fingers fingers that came with this ordinary production model lutenist.

Dan

On 9/9/2013 8:29 AM, Dan Winheld wrote:
Bill's got it. Adrien le Roy makes it Kosher- but I would do it anyway. Exceptions are the very rare wide, blocky finger tips that can actually cover both courses (FOUR strings!) on the end. When Joseph Iadone's name came up a few weeks ago, someone said that he had such fingers & could nail those two courses straight away in that fashion- makes sense, such fingers are more typical amongst double-bass players- and my oldest son is in fact a bass player with such fingers.

Amongst my students I have encountered those who cannot hyperextend the distal joint of the index finger so as to sufficiently clear the 1st course; so while they train themselves to eventually- if possible- gain the necessary flexibility (it really is the best- and sometime the only way in some pieces- to play the 1st position E-flat chord) they either do it 4-finger Neusidler style or drop the 3rd course b-flat- always an option!

Far more difficult is the same partial barre done with the 2nd finger, required for an E major chord 1/2 step higher. Dowland, Melchior Neusidler, Bakfark, and a few other of the professional heavyweights throw that one at us! 3-course partial barre with the 4th finger can be useful at the 5th fret for some cadential situations. Only Jazz guitarists seem to need that barre using the 3rd/ring finger.



Dan


On 9/9/2013 3:56 AM, William Samson wrote:

    Hi collective wisdom of lutenists!
    is there a preferred fingering for this:
    _0_
    _1_
    _1_
    _2_
    _3_
    ___




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