If you play enough Hagen, S.L W. starts to sound outdated. r -----Original Message----- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Winheld Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:47 PM To: erne...@aquila.mus.br; Jarosław Lipski Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum
Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think of him what one will otherwise) "outdated"? No doubt Mel Neusidler found papa Hans outdated. Maybe Downland thought he was outdated. Nicolas Vallet thought they were all outdated. (Of course S.L. Weiss isn't outdated!) Kind of like a Revolutionary War re-enactor scorning the martial skills and accomplishments of General Eisenhower in WWII as- "outdated". Dan "The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting for at least a part of the audience at the time it was recorded, sounds completely outdated and boring for most people today, and may be rediscovered in the future for some reason we would never even think of. Is it somehow related to the lute?" On 12/18/2013 9:22 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: > > Bream played something thought to be a lute in his own time, so he may be > discussed here? > Had Segovia anything to do with the lute besides the repertoire? And if it is > the repertoire, may we include Andre Rieu here? He also plays some of the > most extended lute repertoire... > I think Jimi Hendrix also has a lot to do with the lute - his characteristic > rythmic flamboyance is directly associated to the liberties taken in lute > performance, were musicians are free from dogmas imposed by some phonographic > industry product player. Or thus I understand it, in my very personal > interpretation of the lute. > And the arab / turkish / syrian lutes in use nowadays? > And so it goes... > > Ernesto Ett > 11-99 242120 4 > 11-28376692 > > > > Em 18.12.2013, às 14:00, Jarosław Lipski <jaroslawlip...@wp.pl> escreveu: > > Segovia could have been polite and gentle providing that a student followed > his remarks, fingerings etc. This is nothing extraordinary in music, and > there are similar reported cases from the past centuries . Some big Maestros > were known for bullying un-subjugated pupils. (Bach was known for bullying > kids from his choir). This is not a good excuse obviously, especially in our > modern world, however it gives me a thought how both performance practice and > teaching evolved. > BTW for those of you who doubt Segovia's competence as a guitarist > there is a short, live video from 50's (Torroba's Sonatina in > particular). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjRLpE_TzdA > > Enjoy > > Jaroslaw > > > Wiadomość napisana przez gary w dniu 18 gru 2013, o godz. 04:08: > >> How does one go about preventing the tastes of one person from "shaping the >> tastes of an art"? Van Gogh couldn't sell a painting to save his life during >> his own time because of the prevailing taste of his era. Popularity is a >> factor in determining an era's tastes in art. It seems unfair to fault >> Segovia for accepting his popularity and using it to further his own taste. >> I'm sure from Segovia's point of view in promoting his own tastes he was >> protecting the integrity of the guitar and the music. >> >> Gary >> >> >> On 2013-12-17 13:13, Braig, Eugene wrote: >>> . . . Not to mention a huge body of dedicated baroque- and >>> romantic-era repertoire for guitar that was forgotten for >>> generations because Segovia didn't like it and instead opted to >>> create a body of repertoire through transcription. I don't think >>> Segovia can be blamed for his tremendous popularity, but there is a >>> danger in allowing the tastes of one person shape the state of an art. >>> Respectfully, >>> Eugene > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > >
