I think what Markus wants to say is that a sect becomes an established
   church when it has enough critical mass.
   David
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     Am 31.12.2014 um 14:12 schrieb Bernd Haegemann:

     The lutheran church always celebrated the mess, but in a little
     simpler way.

     You express it too critically! They even celebrated the mass! ;-)
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