"...if you put as little of the string as possible on the roller, and
don't bother with a knot..."
That is EXACTLY the way I do it on conventional pegs. And if I am using
a nylon chantarelle, I even manually pull some tension on it before I
tuck/wrap the tag end under the string going into the hole, and then
pull the somewhat tightened string up onto the nut & into its groove.
(Outside peghole, of course).
The only time I allow more wraps is when the peghole is centered, to
get the tension closer (but not too close-binding!) to the inside cheek
of the pegbox, where there will be less direct pulling force where the
peg is most flexible. I can't understand why some people knot the
strings at/in the pegbox- nothing but trouble.
Dan
On 5/27/2015 10:12 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote:
I am hardly the voice of experience here, having changed a grand total
of about 7 strings now on this PegHed fitted lute. But I noticed if you
put as little of the string as possible on the roller, and don't bother
with a knot, it seems to be a lot easier to take off when the time
comes. I have noticed no negative issues with doing it this way, its
counter to how I used to do it with traditional pegs.
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Dan Winheld <[1]dwinh...@lmi.net>
wrote:
Part of being a lute teacher is showing my students how to do this
stuff properly- it is not all either obvious or intuitional. Some
lessons (in my case) are learned only by repeated experience.
And gut winds around the peg differently than nylon; etc. Years ago
I broke a "stuck" peg, forcing it when the string had wedged up
against the inside cheek of the pegbox.
My worst gripes about the PegHedz (even the ones that work well) are
in fact about string changes. I do a fair amount of experimentation,
changing out strings for different performance/pitch/tuning
situations, and to try every damned new thing that Peruffo cooks up
in his lab. Those things are worse than guitar machine heads for
slow, awkward string changes- and lute pegboxes are not guitar
heads.
It is especially bad for the chantarelle- the one string for which
anyone needs "instant access". On my 8 course there is
no-outside-the box option, and so I have to run that string to the
last 4th course peg for proper angle & accessability. Chuck Herin
was no help at all on this; even though Dan Larson has some
outside-the-box string hole pegheads I could not get Chuck to even
understand what I wanted, it's not rocket science.
A simple treble rider- just for a single 1st course- would be a good
compromise.
Dan
On 5/27/2015 9:27 AM, Gary Boye wrote:
I know there are some bad pegs and peg makers out there, but in my
experience the majority of "peg" problems can be traced to improper
installation of the strings to the pegs. Players wind too much
string on the peg, it bumps up against the inside of the
pegbox--this becomes a "stuck peg." They wind the string on the peg
towards the thicker end, forcing the string to pop out when
tightened--this is a "loose peg." Learn to string your instrument
properly and alot of these "peg problems" disappear . . . just my 2
cents.
Gary
Dr. Gary R. Boye
Professor and Music Librarian
Appalachian State University
On 5/27/2015 11:24 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote:
Early - 19th C. - guitars were made with machines or friction pegs.
Those made with machines were more expensive. If you use pegheads on
one of these instruments, you have an expensive guitar masquerading
as a cheap one. I'll join Sterling at the vomitorium.
Joseph Mayes
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From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
behalf of Sterling Price <[4]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:02 AM
To: Michael Grant
Cc: LuteNet list
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [LUTE] Re: Pegheads on new lute
If your lute has shitty, ill fitting pegs then PegHeads might be
fine, but it seems that most lute builders know how to make pegs
that work just great. When I see PegHeads on early guitars with six
strings I seriously feel the need to throw up.
Sterling
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On May 26, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Michael Grant
<[5]mmgrant0...@gmail.com> wrote:
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I had PegHeds (that is how the inventor and manufacturer spells his
product) installed on a 10 c Ren lute. 19 PegHeds to replace tired,
worn,
crappy wooden friction pegs that had broken off, actually started
shearing
off under load. The lute was used and I had just gotten it. Chuck
Herin,
the PegHed guy is, by pure luck, only about 2 hours from me here in
South
Carolina. I drove the instrument to him, he made very small bore
changes
in the pegbox and installed them. Here are before and after pics of
the
lute's pegbox. The PegHeds cost $30 a piece. That adds up but what
was it
costing me to have a lute with 1/2 of the broken pegs missing and so
unplayable, what would it have cost me to take it to a lute luthier
and
have new friction pegs turned and installed and how long would that
have
taken. Then I would have been back to friction pegs. Add both
costs up
and the PegHeds were a no brainer! I recommend them highly.
Michael
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Dan Winheld <[6]dwinh...@lmi.net>
wrote:
I am neither conventional nor wise, so I can only offer my own
personal
experience & opinions:
Most people love them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a barrelful of them.
But
they are life saver on Orpharions; or any multi-string,
double-course low
tension wire strung instrument. For those instruments, and those
instruments alone, I would consider them almost a necessity.
They are nice on my Baroque lute student's 13 course instrument -
but
string changing is his problem!
Hate them on my own 8 course, but I have adapted & gotten used to
them-
and that lute is so good I put up with them. The conventional but
exquisitely fitted pegs on my Vihuela are a lot faster & easier than
the
Pegheads on my lute; I am used to the quick action of the 1 to 1
"gear
ratio" of no gears! String changes? Instant!
No gears for me, thanks!
Da
On 5/26/2015 6:22 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote:
I took delivery of a new lute this week that has Pegheads
installed.
I've never been one for much authenticity, so this doesn't bug
me at
all. All I can say is, where have they been all my lute life? I
don't
know what I am going to do with all the extra time I have now.
They
are
fantastic. The only single thing I miss is the simplicity of
removing
a
string with conventional pegs, but to be able to just sit there
and
put
your left hand up to easily tweak tuning feels miraculous to me.
I am curious what the conventional wisdom is on these.
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<div dir="ltr"><div>I had PegHeds (that is how the inventor and
manufacturer spells his product) installed on a 10 c Ren lute. 19
PegHeds to replace tired, worn, crappy wooden friction pegs that had
broken off, actually started shearing off under load. The lute was
used and I had just gotten it. Chuck Herin, the PegHed guy is, by
pure luck, only about 2 hours from me here in South Carolina. I
drove the instrument to him, he made very small bore changes in the
pegbox and installed them. Here are before and after pics of the
lute's pegbox. The PegHeds cost $30 a piece. That adds up but
what was it costing me to have a lute with 1/2 of the broken pegs
missing and so unplayable, what would it have cost me to take it to
a lute luthier and have new friction pegs turned and installed and
how long would that have taken. Then I would have been back to
friction pegs. Add both costs up and the PegHeds were a no brainer!
I recommend them highly.<br><br></div><div!
Michael<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div
class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Dan Winheld
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[11]dwinh...@lmi.net";
target="_blank">[12]dwinh...@lmi.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am neither
conventional nor wise, so I can only offer my own personal
experience & opinions:<br>
<br>
Most people love them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a barrelful of
them. But they are life saver on Orpharions; or any multi-string,
double-course low tension wire strung instrument. For those
instruments, and those instruments alone, I would consider them
almost a necessity.<br>
<br>
They are nice on my Baroque lute student's 13 course instrument
- but string changing is his problem!<br>
Hate them on my own 8 course, but I have adapted & gotten used
to them- and that lute is so good I put up with them. The
conventional but exquisitely fitted pegs on my Vihuela are a lot
faster & easier than the Pegheads on my lute; I am used to the
quick action of the 1 to 1 "gear ratio" of no gears!
String changes? Instant!<br>
<br>
No gears for me, thanks!<br>
<br>
Da<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 5/26/2015 6:22 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I took delivery of a new lute this week that has Pegheads
installed.<br>
I've never been one for much authenticity, so this
doesn't bug me at<br>
all. All I can say is, where have they been all my lute life? I
don't<br>
know what I am going to do with all the extra time I have now.
They are<br>
fantastic. The only single thing I miss is the simplicity of
removing a<br>
string with conventional pegs, but to be able to just sit there
and put<br>
your left hand up to easily tweak tuning feels miraculous to
me.<br>
I am curious what the conventional wisdom is on these.<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
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x.html</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
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class="gmail_signature"><div
dir="ltr"><div>__________________________________<br>Michael M.
Grant, PhD, MBA<br><i>Coastal Psychological Consulting,
PA</i><br></div>74 Lodge Trail<br><div>Pawleys Island, SC
29585<br>[15]843.314.3263 Phone<br>[16]843.314.3784
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