I don't usually chime in, but I've spent the last 3+ years with a lute by Dan Larson with such "cheater" pegs and all-gut strings. It gets almost daily use (although it's on a trip with Dan to Boston right now; my lutes often travel more extensively than I do), plus concerts & recordings. At least for gut strings in real-time performances, they are a godsend. Additionally, they have worked faithfully for the entire time without hitch. At least to my philistine eye, they are virtually undetectable in weight or appearance, until you give the peg a twist...or marvel at how well those gut strings stay in tune. For string changing, I find that a (carefully) used Dunlop string winder saves some time and wrist fatigue! Cheers, Tom > Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 09:12:50 -0700 > To: ma...@rowan.edu > CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Pegheads on new lute > > > Joe, > Yes, but you're forgetting that HIP is approximately 29.2 to 37.7% for > show. Do the concert on an actual 19th century guitar with original > geared tuners and a certain self-appointed Very Important segment of > audience will grumble that they've been cheated out of an Authentic > Transcendental Historical Experience. Peggy-looking things (even fake > ones) will settle their stomachs and make them feel much better about > the musicianship. Play the Monteverdi Vespers on an 18 foot-long Roman > Giant Tortoise Theorbo and the secret police will be all smiles. > Chris > [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > At May 27, 2015, 11:34:28 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: > > Early - 19th C. - guitars were made with machines or friction pegs. > Those made with machines were more expensive. If you use pegheads on > one of these instruments, you have an expensive guitar masquerading as > a cheap one. I'll join Sterling at the vomitorium. > Joseph Mayes > ________________________________________ > From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on > behalf of Sterling Price <[4]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:02 AM > To: Michael Grant > Cc: LuteNet list > Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [LUTE] Re: Pegheads on new lute > If your lute has shitty, ill fitting pegs then PegHeads might be fine, > but it seems that most lute builders know how to make pegs that work > just great. When I see PegHeads on early guitars with six strings I > seriously feel the need to throw up. > Sterling > Sent from my iPad > On May 26, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Michael Grant <[5]mmgrant0...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > --001a11c35b4c9e155e0516fefe80 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > I had PegHeds (that is how the inventor and manufacturer spells his > > product) installed on a 10 c Ren lute. 19 PegHeds to replace tired, > worn, > > crappy wooden friction pegs that had broken off, actually started > shearing > > off under load. The lute was used and I had just gotten it. Chuck > Herin, > > the PegHed guy is, by pure luck, only about 2 hours from me here in > South > > Carolina. I drove the instrument to him, he made very small bore > changes > > in the pegbox and installed them. Here are before and after pics of > the > > lute's pegbox. The PegHeds cost $30 a piece. That adds up but what > was it > > costing me to have a lute with 1/2 of the broken pegs missing and so > > unplayable, what would it have cost me to take it to a lute luthier > and > > have new friction pegs turned and installed and how long would that > have > > taken. Then I would have been back to friction pegs. Add both costs > up > > and the PegHeds were a no brainer! I recommend them highly. > > > > Michael > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Dan Winheld <[6]dwinh...@lmi.net> > wrote: > > > >> I am neither conventional nor wise, so I can only offer my own > personal > >> experience & opinions: > >> > >> Most people love them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a barrelful of them. > But > >> they are life saver on Orpharions; or any multi-string, > double-course low > >> tension wire strung instrument. For those instruments, and those > >> instruments alone, I would consider them almost a necessity. > >> > >> They are nice on my Baroque lute student's 13 course instrument - > but > >> string changing is his problem! > >> Hate them on my own 8 course, but I have adapted & gotten used to > them- > >> and that lute is so good I put up with them. The conventional but > >> exquisitely fitted pegs on my Vihuela are a lot faster & easier than > the > >> Pegheads on my lute; I am used to the quick action of the 1 to 1 > "gear > >> ratio" of no gears! String changes? Instant! > >> > >> No gears for me, thanks! > >> > >> Da > >> > >> > >> On 5/26/2015 6:22 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote: > >> > >>> I took delivery of a new lute this week that has Pegheads > installed. > >>> I've never been one for much authenticity, so this doesn't bug me > at > >>> all. All I can say is, where have they been all my lute life? I > don't > >>> know what I am going to do with all the extra time I have now. They > >>> are > >>> fantastic. The only single thing I miss is the simplicity of > removing > >>> a > >>> string with conventional pegs, but to be able to just sit there and > >>> put > >>> your left hand up to easily tweak tuning feels miraculous to me. > >>> I am curious what the conventional wisdom is on these. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > -- > > __________________________________ > > Michael M. Grant, PhD, MBA > > *Coastal Psychological Consulting, PA* > > 74 Lodge Trail > > Pawleys Island, SC 29585 > > 843.314.3263 Phone > > 843.314.3784 Fax > > www.coastalpsychological.com > > > > --001a11c35b4c9e155e0516fefe80 > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > I had PegHeds (that is how the inventor and manufacturer spells his > product) installed on a 10 c Ren lute. 19 PegHeds to replace tired, > worn, crappy wooden friction pegs that had broken off, actually started > shearing off under load. The lute was used and I had just gotten it. > Chuck Herin, the PegHed guy is, by pure luck, only about 2 hours from > me here in South Carolina. I drove the instrument to him, he made very > small bore changes in the pegbox and installed them. Here are before > and after pics of the lute's pegbox. The PegHeds cost $30 a piece. That > adds up but what was it costing me to have a lute with 1/2 of the > broken pegs missing and so unplayable, what would it have cost me to > take it to a lute luthier and have new friction pegs turned and > installed and how long would that have taken. Then I would have been > back to friction pegs. Add both costs up and the PegHeds were a no > brainer! I recommend them highly. > >> Michael > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Dan Winheld <[8]dwinh...@lmi.net" > target="_blank">[9]dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote: > > I am neither conventional nor wise, so I can only offer my own > personal experience & opinions: > > > > Most people love them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a barrelful of them. > But they are life saver on Orpharions; or any multi-string, > double-course low tension wire strung instrument. For those > instruments, and those instruments alone, I would consider them > almost a necessity. > > > > They are nice on my Baroque lute student's 13 course instrument - > but string changing is his problem! > > Hate them on my own 8 course, but I have adapted & gotten used to > them- and that lute is so good I put up with them. The conventional > but exquisitely fitted pegs on my Vihuela are a lot faster & easier > than the Pegheads on my lute; I am used to the quick action of the 1 > to 1 "gear ratio" of no gears! String changes? Instant! > > > > No gears for me, thanks! > > > > Da > > > > > On 5/26/2015 6:22 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote: > > > > > I took delivery of a new lute this week that has Pegheads > installed. > > I've never been one for much authenticity, so this doesn't bug me > at > > all. All I can say is, where have they been all my lute life? I > don't > > know what I am going to do with all the extra time I have now. > They are > > fantastic. The only single thing I miss is the simplicity of > removing a > > string with conventional pegs, but to be able to just sit there > and put > > your left hand up to easily tweak tuning feels miraculous to me. > > I am curious what the conventional wisdom is on these. > > > > -- > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html"; > target="_blank">[11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/inde > x.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > __________________________________ > Michael M. Grant, PhD, MBA > Coastal Psychological Consulting, PA > 74 Lodge Trail > Pawleys Island, SC 29585 > 843.314.3263 Phone > 843.314.3784 Fax > [12]http://www.coastalpsychological.com"; > target="_blank">www.coastalpsychological.com > > > > > > --001a11c35b4c9e155e0516fefe80-- > > -- > > References > > 1. https://yho.com/footer0 > 2. javascript:return > 3. javascript:return > 4. javascript:return > 5. javascript:return > 6. javascript:return > 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 8. javascript:return > 9. javascript:return > 10. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/<a%20href= > 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 12. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/<a%20href= >
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