A musician friend of mine, who majored in physics in college, wrote a song: "Between atrophy and entropy we haven't got a chance " I think that applies here , Tom
Tom Draughon Heartistry Music www.heartistry.com 714 9th Ave. W. Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362 On Feb 12, 2017, at 12:08 PM, John Mardinly <john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote: > So my suspicion that it could drive you nuts was well founded. Sounds > like you may be an under-appreciated hero to Lutedom. > > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer > > On Feb 12, 2017, at 7:33 AM, LSA Lute Rental Program > <[1]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > John, > You are quite right and that would do much to solve the roundness > problem. But my other problem is that the rental lutes are stored in 3 > places across the US and since they are rentals they are rented out to > people. This means we don't have access to the lutes because they are > in the hands of the renters...sometimes for several years at a time. > There are lutes in the collection that I have never even seen in person > much less put my hands on so I can do things like you suggest. That is > why I wish I could put PegHedz on them all--because I can't care for > the friction pegs and even though I may ask renters to do so they are > renters and not owners and sometimes their motivation to be thorough in > care is, well, somewhat diminished to put it mildly. I also think > renters would benefit from them as, to me, tuning is much easier and > for people who are renting (this almost always means they are new to > the lute--which is why they are renting) it would be, in my opinion, a > benefit. > But this is all just theoretical since we don't have the money it costs > to replace the pegs. So we will live with what we have and I will deal > with peg problems as they come up. > Michael > Michael M. Grant, PhD > Director, Lute Rental Program > Member, Board of Directors > [uc?id9TJhsqVKmGMNWhuR19WWXJYQU0&export=download] > [2]www.lutesocietyofamerica.org > On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 11:46 PM, John Mardinly > <[3]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote: > > Michael; > With standard pegs, they won't go out of round if you maintain them > properly. That means loosening the peg by turning it and pulling out a > bit so that there is just light pressure between the wooden parts. That > compensates for the dimensional changes caused by humidity changes. Of > course that throws the instrument out of tune, which means you might > need to re-tune it, and if you have 42 lutes you will need extra > staff, medical marijuana or psychiatric treatment. > However, you probably already know this. > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer > > On Feb 11, 2017, at 5:32 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program > <[4]lsaluteren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > About once a year the topic of planetary tuners comes up on this > listserve. People weigh in for and against, sometimes (like last > year) the discussion gets overheated as some who are against cite > historical authenticity and other factors as reasons against and > those > who are for them cite the "make it easy on yourself--adopt modern > methods" position to support their use. > Then, after the dust settles, we discover we are pretty much evenly > split for and against and the issue dies down only to rise again in > 12 > months. > For those who do not wish to use planetary tuners, the most notable > example of which is PegHedz, their best approach is not to use them. > For those, like me, who have used them and like them very much > indeed, > the best approach is to keep using them. I have 42 instruments in > the > LSA's lute rental collection and if I had the money to do so I would > install PegHedz on every single one. The LSA neither supports nor > does not support the use of any particular tuner, including friction > pegs or planetary tuners such as PegHedz. I am only telling you > that > I think they are such a valuable resource that I would put them on > all > the lutes if it could be afforded. It can't so I won't. But if I > did it would forever eliminate the problem that aging lutes have of > pegs that become out of round and needing replacing or retooling. > It > would also make tuning much easier for beginners--but that is just my > opinion. > So it seems best for us to use what we like as tuners and focus on > the > music we make with the strings. Let us all continue to make > beautiful > music no matter what method we use to tension our strings. > Michael > On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 5:53 PM Charles Mokotoff > <[1][5]mokot...@gmail.com> wrote: > Seems we are about 50/50 split on the peghedz... > FWIW, I have used this device: > [1][2][6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > 3A__www.amazon.com_Ernie-2DBall-2DPowerpeg-2DBattery- > 2DPowered_dp_&d=DQIBAg&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r= > MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ&m=NIRfj- > oODuubeNdT31nk3d6Py8Hum4Es2kpGPoRLDp4&s=Z3rK7eE8clhRRlhovKEvSBAiguoaVa > ubyu-ARWOJktY&e= > B0019H > 6750/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid86853424&sr=8-1& > to get around the tedium of string changing, its sort of fun > actually, > and fits my pegs fine. Admittedly, once I got the set correct, I > change > lute strings very rarely. > On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM, <[2][3][7]jsl...@verizon.net> > wrote: > Dear All, > I really don't think the planetary tuning pegs are > necessary for > a > lute with good-fitting pegs. I find that a small amount of > violin > "peg > dope" -- the hard, waxy type, not the softer gooey type -- > is all > the > help my lute and vihuela pegs need. > On the other hand, I did get them installed on my cittern, > and > they > are a godsend. So, like Ms. Carlin, I would recommend them > for > wire-strung instruments, which have greater tuning > difficulties. > Cheers, > Jim Stimson > On 02/11/17, Roman Turovsky<[3][4][8]r.turov...@gmail.com> > wrote: > A question for the Collective Wisdom: > Looking for opinions on planetary tuners for lutes or > vihuelas, > cautionary tales, where to get them, which brands, how to > install > etc. > Thank ye all, > RT > To get on or off this list see list information at > [1][4][5][9]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/ > url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute- > 2Dadmin_index.html&d=DQIBAg&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQ > uZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ&m=NIRfj- > oODuubeNdT31nk3d6Py8Hum4Es2kpGPoRLDp4&s=-3VZ_ > SKtkLan7EGUsXQlVPSOKFA6y5CUtYu2eQmR9Nc&e= > References > 1. 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