I don't understand the argument against using a tuner - the rather inexpensive Android + iOS app "Cleartune" has a number of different temperaments including 1/4, 1/6 comma meantone pre-defined - just set the base note and watch the readings.
Good luck anyway :-) ---------------------------------- “Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, July 27, 2019 2:53 AM, tribioli <tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> wrote: > Everything you need about fret positions is written in David van Oojien > page about temperaments. I use the 1/6 comma (pythagorean) with the > first fret to the A flat position (for a G first string). That gives a > very wrong F sharp on the IV course (it is a G flat indeed) but old > music does show D major chord with the F sharp to the IV course really > really seldom (that's another thing that seems to show they used some > sort of temperament) > > Francesco > > -------- Messaggio originale -------- > Da: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu > Data: 26/07/19 18:53 (GMT+01:00) > A: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com > Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu list" lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament) > > Thank you: it will be interesting to compare your preferences > for fret positioning to those advocated by others - should they > ever appear...... > MH > On Friday, 26 July 2019, 17:42:19 BST, David van Ooijen > davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: > > Somebody wants numbers? In the link below are some numbers. > But using your ears is a better idea than blindly (deafly?) > > > following > (mine or other people's) numbers. Get the major third you like > (harmonic f-a on 4th course for a pure major third, or a something > slightly less extreme if you so wish) and then tune octaves and > shift > your frets around: 1st fret up for the flats or down for the > sharps > (I > have my continuo archlute 1st fret up for the flats, with a > tastini > on > 5, 6 and 7 for the sharps, I avoid the g# on first course - or try > to > avoid it anyway), 2nd fret down, 3rd fret up, 4th fret down, 5th > only > slightly up, 6th and 7th fret down again. Tune, adjust, fiddle > around > until you're happy with it. > But someone was asking for numbers in stead of real life luting. > Here > are my numbers: > > [1][1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lu > te/ > David > On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 at 18:19, [2][2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com > <[3][3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > You use your ears to move the frets? Wouldn't using your > fingers > be > easier? > Sent from my Huawei phone > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament) > From: howard posner > To: "[4][4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu list" > CC: > You might want to reread the part about using your ears. > "Precise > fret positions" is an irrelevant concept if you tune by > actually > listening; that's why your repeated demands for numbers > > > are > going > unanswered. > > On Jul 26, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Martyn Hodgson > > <[5][5]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you Stephan, > > > Would you kindly share what precise fret positions > > result > when > you set > > the > > > 'fifth fret so high that you can still enjoy and work > > your way > > through.....' > > > MH > > > > > > On Friday, 26 July 2019, 13:17:31 BST, Stephan > > > Olbertz > > <[6][6]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote: > > > You wouldn't even need a tuner. Just set a fifth fret > > > so > high > that you > > can > > > still enjoy and work your way through all the other > > frets > and > open > > courses > > > by means of comparing octaves and unisons. > > > Use strings that are neither too old nor too new. And > > > be > sure to > tune > > to a > > > fourth based tuning. > > > Regards > > > Stephan > > > > > > Im Auftrag > > > von Roland Hayes > > > Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 13:36 > > > An: Martyn Hodgson; [3][7][7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; > > Steve > Ramey > > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Test 9od temperament) > > > Or you could get a meantone tuner and use your ears > > and > not a > > measuring > > > tape > > > Get [1]Outlook for Android > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > [8][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- > ******************************* > David van Ooijen > [9][9]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > [10]www.davidvanooijen.nl > ******************************* > -- > References > 1. > > [10]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute > / > 2. mailto:[11]s.wa...@ntlworld.com > 3. mailto:[12]s.wa...@ntlworld.com > 4. mailto:[13]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 5. mailto:[14]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu > 6. mailto:[15]stephan.olbe...@web.de > 7. mailto:[16]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 8. [17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 9. mailto:[18]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 10. [19]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > -- > References > 1. > https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute/ > 2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com > 3. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com > 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 5. mailto:hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu > 6. mailto:stephan.olbe...@web.de > 7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 9. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 10. > https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute/ > 11. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com > 12. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com > 13. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 14. mailto:hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu > 15. mailto:stephan.olbe...@web.de > 16. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 18. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 19. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
