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Dear all,

Last October 2018 I was casually checking out if Thomann (www.thomann.de)
had any interesting Baroque guitars for sale. Instead, I found a series of
what seemed to be very interesting Renaissance and Baroque lutes called
Thomann Cantarella (this was the first time I saw these Thomann lutes and
names). They were 7 and 8 courses Renaissance and 13 courses Baroque lutes.
What has surprised and interested me at the time was the fact that these
lutes looked exactly as the ones built by the French company Le Luth Doré (
www.leluthdore.com).
I have two LLD Lutes, an 8c Renaissance and a 13c Baroque one. I was really
surprised when looking at these Thomann lutes because they seemingly have a
very similar/maybe the same logo as my LLD one?. By very similar I mean It
even looks to have the crown on top of the LLD letters. The case, varnish
and overall look made me stare back and forth Thomann’s page and my own
lute.
I’m putting some pictures here so you guys can see if I’m correct or not.
Since Thomann was selling these lutes at the time (right now they seem to
be out of stock) with a couple hundred euros price reduction compared to
LLD’s webstore(www.leluthdore.com), I thought that maybe Thomann has made a
special deal with LLD (Thomann is the biggest reseller of music instruments
in the world, and, because of that, they would have lower selling prices)?
Today once again I went to Thomann seeking these lutes, but it seems that
they are gone? I can’t find them either by searching or from my bookmarked
links:
1) Thomann Cantarella Renaissance Lute 7C (
https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_13.htm)
2) Thomann Cantarella Renaissance Lute 8C (
https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_15.htm)
3) Thomann Cantarella Baroque Lute 13C (
https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_13c.htm)
Some questions for you guys:

   1. Did anyone buy one of these Lutes?
   2. Has anyone contacted Thomann and asked if they are indeed the same
   lutes built and sold by LLD? or if they have any sort of arrangement?
   3. For anyone who bought it: do you have any idea if those are similar
   in terms of quality to a proper LLD?

One of the pictures is in czech because I often click around other
countries in order to see from where, hypothetically, could I buy the
cheapest.

Kind Regards,
Bruno Rucy

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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx" 
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">Dear all,</span></div><div class="gmail-_1mf 
gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy 
gmail-_3dgx" style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px 
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">Last October 2018 I was casually checking out if 
Thomann (<a href="http://www.thomann.de";>www.thomann.de</a>) had any 
interesting Bar!
 oque guitars for sale. Instead, I found a series of what seemed to be very 
interesting Renaissance and Baroque lutes called Thomann Cantarella (this was 
the first time I saw these Thomann lutes and names). They were 7 and 8 courses 
Renaissance and 13 courses Baroque lutes.

What has surprised and interested me at the time was the fact that these lutes 
looked exactly as the ones built by the French company Le Luth Doré (<a 
href="http://www.leluthdore.com";>www.leluthdore.com</a>).

</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx" 
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px 
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">I have two LLD Lutes, an 8c Renaissance and a 13c 
Baroque one. I was really surprised when looking at these Thomann lutes because 
they seemingly have a very similar/maybe the same logo as my LLD one?. By very 
similar I mean It even looks to have the crown on top of the LLD letters. The 
case, varnish and overall look made me stare back and forth Thomann’s page 
and my own lute.

</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx" 
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px 
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">I’m putting some pictures here so you guys can 
see if I’m correct or not.

</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx" 
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px 
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">Since Thomann was selling these lutes at the time 
(right now they seem to be out of stock) with a couple hundred euros price 
reduction compared to LLD’s webstore(</span><span 
style="font-family:inherit;text-decoration:underline"><span 
style="font-family:inherit"><a 
href="http://www.leluthdore.com";>www.leluthdore.com</a></span></span><span 
style="font-family:inherit">), I thought that maybe Thomann has made a special 
deal with LLD (Thomann is the biggest reseller of music instruments in the 
world, and, because of that, they would have lower selling prices)?

</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx" 
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px 
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">Today once again I went to Thomann seeking these 
lutes, but it seems that they are gone? I can’t find them either by searching 
or from my bookmarked links:

</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx" 
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px 
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">1) Thomann Cantarella Renaissance Lute 7C (<a 
href="https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_13.htm";>https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_13.htm</a>)

</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx" 
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px 
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">2) Thomann Cantarella Renaissance Lute 8C (<a 
href="https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_15.htm";>https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_15.htm</a>)

</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx" 
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px 
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">3) Thomann Cantarella Baroque Lute 13C 
(</span><span style="font-family:inherit;text-decoration:underline"><span 
style="font-family:inherit"><a 
href="https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_13c.htm";>https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_13c.htm</a></span></span><span
 style="font-family:inherit">)

</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx" 
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px 
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">Some questions for you guys:

</span></div></div><ol class="gmail-_1bv1" style="margin:0px 12px;padding:6px 
0px 
0px;list-style-position:initial;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap"><li
 class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_509s gmail-_3kp_ gmail-_3kq0 gmail-_3kq1 
gmail-_3kq6" 
style="direction:ltr;list-style-type:none;clear:both;line-height:18px;margin-left:1.5em;padding-bottom:3px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">Did anyone buy one of these Lutes?

</span></div></li><li class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_509s gmail-_3kp_ gmail-_3kq1 
gmail-_3kq6" 
style="direction:ltr;list-style-type:none;clear:both;line-height:18px;margin-left:1.5em;padding-bottom:3px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">Has anyone contacted Thomann and asked if they are 
indeed the same lutes built and sold by LLD? or if they have any sort of 
arrangement?

</span></div></li><li class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_509s gmail-_3kp_ gmail-_3kq1 
gmail-_3kq6" 
style="direction:ltr;list-style-type:none;clear:both;line-height:18px;margin-left:1.5em;padding-bottom:0px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">For anyone who bought it: do you have any idea if 
those are similar in terms of quality to a proper LLD?

</span></div></li></ol><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx" 
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px 
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,&quot;.SFNSText-Regular&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
 class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit">One of the pictures is in czech because I often 
click around other countries in order to see from where, hypothetically, could 
I buy the cheapest.</span></div><div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" 
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span 
style="font-family:inherit;font-weight:bold"><br></span></div></div><div><div 
dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Kind 
Regards,<br></div><div>Bruno Rucy<br></div></div></div></div></div></div>

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