Not directly related, but nonetheless worthwhile to know.
LDD lutes are made in China. The workshops that make these lutes might
sell them to other buyers, but under another brand name, either their
own or the customer's.
This happens with guitars. I have a great Eastman jazzguitar, custom
made for me in China. It's Eastman, because I bought it from Eastman
through their local dealer here in town. On the web I can order exactly
the same guitar, with discount if I order 10 or more, from a Chinese
workshop. The same workshop where my Eastman was made? I don't know.
Everything is the same, even the headstock, only the Eastman logo is
missing. Eastman will tell me they have final quality control over the
instruments that are sold under their brand name. I believe them.
Friend of mine ordered a custom Les Paul from China. Again: a great
copy, no complaints about the quality.
David - no lutes from China, only an erhu and good memories
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 12:58, Bruno Carneiro <[1]brur...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Dear all,
Last October 2018 I was casually checking out if Thomann
([2]www.thomann.de)
had any interesting Baroque guitars for sale. Instead, I found a
series of
what seemed to be very interesting Renaissance and Baroque lutes
called
Thomann Cantarella (this was the first time I saw these Thomann
lutes and
names). They were 7 and 8 courses Renaissance and 13 courses Baroque
lutes.
What has surprised and interested me at the time was the fact that
these
lutes looked exactly as the ones built by the French company Le Luth
Doré (
[3]www.leluthdore.com).
I have two LLD Lutes, an 8c Renaissance and a 13c Baroque one. I was
really
surprised when looking at these Thomann lutes because they seemingly
have a
very similar/maybe the same logo as my LLD one?. By very similar I
mean It
even looks to have the crown on top of the LLD letters. The case,
varnish
and overall look made me stare back and forth Thomann's page and my
own
lute.
I'm putting some pictures here so you guys can see if I'm correct or
not.
Since Thomann was selling these lutes at the time (right now they
seem to
be out of stock) with a couple hundred euros price reduction
compared to
LLD's webstore([4]www.leluthdore.com), I thought that maybe Thomann
has made a
special deal with LLD (Thomann is the biggest reseller of music
instruments
in the world, and, because of that, they would have lower selling
prices)?
Today once again I went to Thomann seeking these lutes, but it seems
that
they are gone? I can't find them either by searching or from my
bookmarked
links:
1) Thomann Cantarella Renaissance Lute 7C (
[5]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_13.
htm)
2) Thomann Cantarella Renaissance Lute 8C (
[6]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_15.
htm)
3) Thomann Cantarella Baroque Lute 13C (
[7]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_13c.htm
)
Some questions for you guys:
1. Did anyone buy one of these Lutes?
2. Has anyone contacted Thomann and asked if they are indeed the
same
lutes built and sold by LLD? or if they have any sort of
arrangement?
3. For anyone who bought it: do you have any idea if those are
similar
in terms of quality to a proper LLD?
One of the pictures is in czech because I often click around other
countries in order to see from where, hypothetically, could I buy
the
cheapest.
Kind Regards,
Bruno Rucy
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:syste
m-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SFNSText-Regular",
sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><div
class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">Dear all,</span></div><div
class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit"><br></span></div></div><div
class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SF
NSText-Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">Last October 2018 I was casually
checking out if Thomann (<a
href="[8]http://www.thomann.de";>[9]www.thomann.de</a>) had any
interesting Bar!
oque guitars for sale. Instead, I found a series of what seemed to
be very interesting Renaissance and Baroque lutes called Thomann
Cantarella (this was the first time I saw these Thomann lutes and
names). They were 7 and 8 courses Renaissance and 13 courses Baroque
lutes.
What has surprised and interested me at the time was the fact that
these lutes looked exactly as the ones built by the French company
Le Luth Doré (<a
href="[10]http://www.leluthdore.com";>[11]www.leluthdore.com</a>).
</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SF
NSText-Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">I have two LLD Lutes, an 8c Renaissance
and a 13c Baroque one. I was really surprised when looking at these
Thomann lutes because they seemingly have a very similar/maybe the
same logo as my LLD one?. By very similar I mean It even looks to
have the crown on top of the LLD letters. The case, varnish and
overall look made me stare back and forth Thomann's page and my own
lute.
</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SF
NSText-Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">I'm putting some pictures here so you
guys can see if I'm correct or not.
</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SF
NSText-Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">Since Thomann was selling these lutes at
the time (right now they seem to be out of stock) with a couple
hundred euros price reduction compared to LLD's
webstore(</span><span
style="font-family:inherit;text-decoration:underline"><span
style="font-family:inherit"><a
href="[12]http://www.leluthdore.com";>[13]www.leluthdore.com</a></spa
n></span><span style="font-family:inherit">), I thought that maybe
Thomann has made a special deal with LLD (Thomann is the biggest
reseller of music instruments in the world, and, because of that,
they would have lower selling prices)?
</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SF
NSText-Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">Today once again I went to Thomann
seeking these lutes, but it seems that they are gone? I can't find
them either by searching or from my bookmarked links:
</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SF
NSText-Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">1) Thomann Cantarella Renaissance Lute
7C (<a
href="[14]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_l
ute_13.htm">[15]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaiss
ance_lute_13.htm</a>)
</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SF
NSText-Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">2) Thomann Cantarella Renaissance Lute
8C (<a
href="[16]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_l
ute_15.htm">[17]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaiss
ance_lute_15.htm</a>)
</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SF
NSText-Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">3) Thomann Cantarella Baroque Lute 13C
(</span><span
style="font-family:inherit;text-decoration:underline"><span
style="font-family:inherit"><a
href="[18]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_
13c.htm">[19]https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lu
te_13c.htm</a></span></span><span style="font-family:inherit">)
</span></div></div><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SF
NSText-Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">Some questions for you guys:
</span></div></div><ol class="gmail-_1bv1" style="margin:0px
12px;padding:6px 0px
0px;list-style-position:initial;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:syst
em-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SFNSText-Regular"
,sans-serif;font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap"><li
class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_509s gmail-_3kp_ gmail-_3kq0 gmail-_3kq1
gmail-_3kq6"
style="direction:ltr;list-style-type:none;clear:both;line-height:18p
x;margin-left:1.5em;padding-bottom:3px"><div class="gmail-_1mf
gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">Did anyone buy one of these Lutes?
</span></div></li><li class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_509s gmail-_3kp_
gmail-_3kq1 gmail-_3kq6"
style="direction:ltr;list-style-type:none;clear:both;line-height:18p
x;margin-left:1.5em;padding-bottom:3px"><div class="gmail-_1mf
gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">Has anyone contacted Thomann and asked
if they are indeed the same lutes built and sold by LLD? or if they
have any sort of arrangement?
</span></div></li><li class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_509s gmail-_3kp_
gmail-_3kq1 gmail-_3kq6"
style="direction:ltr;list-style-type:none;clear:both;line-height:18p
x;margin-left:1.5em;padding-bottom:0px"><div class="gmail-_1mf
gmail-_1mj" style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">For anyone who bought it: do you have
any idea if those are similar in terms of quality to a proper LLD?
</span></div></li></ol><div class="gmail-_2cuy gmail-_3dgx"
style="white-space:pre-wrap;margin:0px;padding:6px 0px
0px;font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,".SF
NSText-Regular",sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit">One of the pictures is in czech because
I often click around other countries in order to see from where,
hypothetically, could I buy the cheapest.</span></div><div
class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj"
style="direction:ltr;font-family:inherit"><span
style="font-family:inherit;font-weight:bold"><br></span></div></div>
<div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Kind
Regards,<br></div><div>Bruno
Rucy<br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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References
1. mailto:brur...@gmail.com
2. http://www.thomann.de/
3. http://www.leluthdore.com/
4. http://www.leluthdore.com/
5. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_13.htm
6. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_15.htm
7. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_13c.htm
8. http://www.thomann.de/
9. http://www.thomann.de/
10. http://www.leluthdore.com/
11. http://www.leluthdore.com/
12. http://www.leluthdore.com/
13. http://www.leluthdore.com/
14. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_13.htm
15. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_13.htm
16. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_15.htm
17. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_renaissance_lute_15.htm
18. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_13c.htm
19. https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_cantarella_baroque_lute_13c.htm
20. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
21. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
22. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
