Thank you, David! Funny enough. According to three reference works (MGG, Encyclopedia of Violin Makers, Dictionnaire unversel des luthiers), Hieber's colleague in Rome, Venice and Padua was Martino Pfanzelt.
And according to the same reference books, there was no luthier Andreas Pfanzelt in the 16th and 17th centuries. Waiting with anticipation for the Geneva museum to give information. Mathias -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von David Van Edwards Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2020 14:08 An: Mathias Rösel Cc: 'Lutelist'; 'Wolfgang u. Lenser-Emmerich Anita Emmerich'; 'Wolfgang u. Lenser-Emmerich Anita Emmerich' Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Tiorbino According to the LSA database: labelled: Johannes Hieber und Andreas Pfanzelt //. Repair label: Louvet/ m (ai) tre luthier de paris à avignon/ mai 1778 pur Mr. Carpentraz// David At 13:27 +0200 19/6/20, Mathias Rösel wrote: >On a side note, the names of the luthiers who >built the tiorbino that is now kept in Geneva, >are given as: Johannes Hieber and Andreas >Pfanzelt (both on the museum's page and on >Barber's / Harris's page). > >The name of Hieber's colleague in Padua, though, >apparently was Martin(o) Pfanzelt, according to >two reference books (Enzyklopaedie des >Geigenbaus, 1965, and MGG vol. 10, 1986). > >I wonder if there's a label inside the instrument.-Anyone? > >Mathias > > > >> Il giorno 18 giu 2020, alle ore 11:16, Davide >>Rebuffa <davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it> ha >>scritto: >> >> Dear all, >> >> The instrument in Cleveland could be a a very >>rare example of a 14-course small archlute >> (not a "liuto attiorbato" because it has single bourdons) >> or a 14-course tiorbino in G. >> The brand of the unknown manufacturer is >>present on the external countercap and bears >>the initials R. E. >> The string lengths are 523 mm and 882 mm. >> Since the string length is a bit long for a >>tiorbino, the third course could be tuned at >>the higher octave >> only if the instrument is tuned in G, not in A. >> It was converted into a 12-course instrument >>(2x1; 6x2; 4x2) by Sebastian Schelle in 1742. >> Ray Nurse restored it in 1988 bringing it back >>to 6x2; 8x1 as we may assume it was in the 17th >>century. The bridge was also rebuilt. >> The two extra pegs added in the 18th century >>were nor removed from the pegbox. >> >> Davide >> >>> Il giorno 18 giu 2020, alle ore 09:27, Martin >>>Shepherd <mar...@luteshop.co.uk> ha scritto: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I don't have many details of the Cleveland >>>instrument, but I do have the poster! I see >>>14 pegs for the petit jeu (7x2) and 8 pegs for >>>the grand jeu (4x2), making it a 12-course >>>liuto attiorbato. I think it was Larry Brown >>>who had some measurements, if I remember >>>correctly the petit jeu is 61cm. >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> On 17/06/2020 22:37, Mathias Rösel wrote: >>>> Dear David, dear Bruno, >>>> thanks to both of you so much! >>>> I agree that the Cleveland instrument, beautiful as it may be, seems more >>>> likely to be a small arciliuto. And I'm grateful for your pointing at MH >>>> Brussels No.1578. I shall try to get pictures and/or plans. >>>> Mathias >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >> -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk
