Hi, all. There's also the very remarkable 12-course cittern that Praetorius illustrates with plan and side views in Syntagma; [1]https://artscimedia.case.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/146/2015/04/14 214944/PraeCitterns.jpg We would likely categorize it as a type of bandora if not for M. P.'s naming it, as it has slanted bridge and frets, though it retains the shallow, tapering body and scrolls at the neck/body joint of smaller citterns. If I remember correctly he also gives a tuning for it somewhere that follows the re-entrant tuning of classic citterns. I made a drawing of it at one time, but it never came to fruition. Best to all, and keep playing. Chris.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 12:14 PM Leonard Williams <[2]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Replacing actual research with memory: the large flat-backed, wire-strung instrument is, according to Munrow, a ceterone: a bass cittern. The chittarone is lute-backed. The two become confused in the literature, as well as in my head. Leonard -----Original Message----- From: Leonard Williams <[3]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 11:34 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Metal stringing on historical instruments I believe that the instrument you describe was a chittarone -- a bass cittern. It is depicted and described in the late David Munrow's "Instruments of the Middle Ages and Renaissance" (great album and book, now OOP). It was flat-backed and wire strung. Best, Leonard Williams -----Original Message----- From: [1][6]jsl...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu To: [2][7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 9:24 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Metal stringing on historical instruments Dear All, There's a drawing in Praetorius' Syntagma of what looks like an archlute set up with end pins like a giant cittern. Cheers, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Carlin <[1][4][9]lsaq.edi...@gmail.com> To: [2][5][10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thu, Aug 20, 2020 6:20 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Metal stringing on historical instruments Orpharions and Bandoras are the main wire-strung instruments - I suspect they were more popular in the renaissance than they are in modern times. Citterns were also strung with wire. We just had an interesting article in the LSA Quarterly (translated from an article the German Lute Society published) on theorboed bandoras that were probably used as continuo instruments. These could possibly be related to wire-strung archlutes or theorboes - a topic that needs lots more research. I think there might be a few of these instruments that have pins to attach the strings rather than the usual lute-type bridges. Maybe some of the luthiers on the list can comment on them Nancy > Dear collective wisdom, > > A friend of mine asked me about this topic. > > He would like to know If there is any literature or historical > evidence, such as instruments in museums that used metal strings, > mainly guitars, theorbos, lutes and archlutes. > > Thank you, > > Ricardo Arnt > > Enviado do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy. > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [1][3][6][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [2][4][7][12]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [13]www.groundsanddivisions.info [14]www.nancycarlinassociates.com -- References 1. [5][8][15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. [6][9][16]http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/ -- References 1. mailto:[10][17]lsaq.edi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[11][18]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. 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