Hi, all.
There's also the very remarkable 12-course cittern that Praetorius
illustrates with plan and side views in Syntagma;
[1]https://artscimedia.case.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/146/2015/04/14
214944/PraeCitterns.jpg We would likely categorize it as a type of
bandora if not for M. P.'s naming it, as it has slanted bridge and
frets, though it retains the shallow, tapering body and scrolls at the
neck/body joint of smaller citterns. If I remember correctly he also
gives a tuning for it somewhere that follows the re-entrant tuning of
classic citterns. I made a drawing of it at one time, but it never
came to fruition.
Best to all, and keep playing.
Chris.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 12:14 PM Leonard Williams
<[2]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
Replacing actual research with memory: the large flat-backed,
wire-strung instrument is, according to Munrow, a ceterone: a
bass
cittern. The chittarone is lute-backed. The two become
confused in
the literature, as well as in my head.
Leonard
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Metal stringing on historical instruments
I believe that the instrument you describe was a chittarone --
a bass
cittern. It is depicted and described in the late David
Munrow's
"Instruments of the Middle Ages and Renaissance" (great album
and
book,
now OOP). It was flat-backed and wire strung.
Best,
Leonard Williams
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Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 9:24 am
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Metal stringing on historical instruments
Dear All,
There's a drawing in Praetorius' Syntagma of what looks
like an
archlute set up with end pins like a giant cittern.
Cheers,
Jim
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From: Nancy Carlin <[1][4][9]lsaq.edi...@gmail.com>
To: [2][5][10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thu, Aug 20, 2020 6:20 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Metal stringing on historical instruments
Orpharions and Bandoras are the main wire-strung instruments
- I
suspect
they were more popular in the renaissance than they are in
modern
times.
Citterns were also strung with wire. We just had an
interesting
article
in the LSA Quarterly (translated from an article the German
Lute
Society
published) on theorboed bandoras that were probably used as
continuo
instruments. These could possibly be related to wire-strung
archlutes
or
theorboes - a topic that needs lots more research. I think
there
might
be a few of these instruments that have pins to attach the
strings
rather than the usual lute-type bridges. Maybe some of the
luthiers
on
the list can comment on them
Nancy
> Dear collective wisdom,
>
> A friend of mine asked me about this topic.
>
> He would like to know If there is any literature or
historical
> evidence, such as instruments in museums that used metal
strings,
> mainly guitars, theorbos, lutes and archlutes.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ricardo Arnt
>
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>
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