I've played a lot of Renaissance polyphony in facsimile (on sackbut), and in that context, secunda pars means exactly what Ron describes. With large numbers of voices, you will sometimes see XYZ Vox to indicate a part/voice by number, such as Quinta Vox, but I've never seen "pars" used to indicate a part/voice .
Guy -----Original Message----- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Andrico Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:35 PM To: Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.; Jussi-Pekka Lajunen; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2 Sarge, I think you'll find that the term _secunda pars_ universally applies to the second section of a composition that was conceived in more than one section, typically setting the continuation of a long poem or another sectional text. For instance, in Phalese _Luculentum Theatrum Musicum_, 1568, you'll find on f.58v the Secunda pars and Tertia pars of a solo lute setting of Josquin's motet, Benedicta es. The rubrics indicate that the motet was composed in three sequential sections. On the following page, f. 59, you will find lute duets with the heading,_Sequntur deinceps carmina, duabus testudinibus accomoda_ ([music] following the sacred songs is accommodated for two lutes). The two different lute parts are not labeled other than the fact that the primary part carries an indication that this particular duet is _ad secundum_, or for lutes tuned a step apart, and of course the duet part is printed upside down so both can play from the same book. There seems to have been no standard convention in labeling the separate parts of a lute duet but the most typical indication for different parts was to label them superius, bassus, or tenor, such as found in Pacoloni, 1564. Nevertheless, _secunda pars_ is not likely an indication for a separate instrumental part. RA __________________________________________________________________ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. <sa...@gerbode.net> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:45 PM To: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen <jlaju...@gmail.com>; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2 Oh! I didn't find that score. Thanks so much! One approach would be to intabulate the missing parts from the score, as a second lute part (maybe using red notes) or just to fill them in so a single lute could play the complete piece. Since the first part does not have gaps or red notes, it, too might have to be edited (red notes or whatever) to fit the score. All that is a bit of an undertaking. Meanwhile, I am soldiering on through the MS. --Sarge On 9/9/2020 15:31, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: > No, I haven't seen, but the numbers correspond to the duration of > rests in the first choir's part (and the nine semibreve long section > not included in the tablature). If you look at the score[1], you can > see there are rests that last for two semibreves on page 25, for five > semibreves on page 27, for 11 semibreves on pages 30–32, for three > semibreves on page 36, for six semibreves on pages 38–39 and for 13 > semibreves on pages 40–42. Then there is a nine semibreve long section > on pages 33–34 that is missing from the tablature. > > There is no second lute part on the spreads in question (neither in > red notes nor reversed), which is the reason why I thought that the > possible second lute part might not be in the same manuscript. > > [1] > [1]https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fks.petruccimusiclibrary.org%2Ffiles%2Fimglnks%2Fusimg%2F4%2F41%2FIMSLP145&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1d122b2434f14668a1e508d855c0e2c1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637353634211155008&sdata=WpwxBSNuL32CEyzsR%2F2csoPK5fkznKS2gzIkUs0JqXA%3D&reserved=0 459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf > > Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 10.9.2020 klo 0.08: >> Well, as we have discussed, the red notes are apparently played from >> the same score on a second lute, and elsewhere in Eysert, there are >> apparently both parts of some duets, some reversed to play off >> the same >> MS (haven't run across them yet). That suggests that there may >> not be a >> second part book, which doesn't mean a second part isn't lurking in >> some other random MS. >> I we ignore the # º notations entirely, Part 2 sounds quite all >> right to >> my ears as is, so the notations might mean something entirely >> different... >> Andre Nieuwlaat is going to hunt around and see if he can find a >> second >> part. Perhaps it would have similar notations to indicate missing >> bars, >> meant to be played from the version in Eysert. >> Have you seen notations like this anywhere else in the lute >> literature? 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