Am 30.03.2014 12:54, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn:
Well, the clue was in the last sentence. I asked: "do I have to be a
computer expert to install LyX again ?" Apparently, yes. I can't believe
you don't want to ask the "average" LyX user to copy his preferences,
because he probably doesn't understand what a preference is. At the same
time, you tell him to download some untrustworthy tool to mangle with his
registry to be able to install LYX, just because some vague potential
problems.
You confuse me. I was telling that to you: what can be done in the the worst case. Of course I
wouldn't say that to an average user and the case that a registry cleaner is necessary should
ideally never appear (except the user changed the registry manually).
First of all, what makes you think I encountered a problem ?
That is what I read our of your post.
I didn't say so. Secondly, this "installing over beta does not fix bugs"-mantra
is
not based on any fact thus far.
Call it a mantra or not. If you have to fiddle around with registry and other settings almost every
week to help users, you will understand me. Re-installing is in most cases the solution.
Nevertheless, have you see the mail from a user that I just forwarded to the list? He had the
problem that installing RC1 over a beta made problems even on Mac.
So, what would be wrong with a message "LyX is already installed. If you
want to repair LyX please uninstall first. Continue anyway?"
I can implement that, but not before LyX 2.1final. (Lack of time and this change touches the
translation of the installer and therefore my current test of NSIS 3.0a2)
Or
"LyX is already installed. Do you want to repair (all settings will be
lost) the installation or continue?"
How should that work? If the user chooses repair, the installer must run the uninstaller of the
existing version first - complicated because the registry checks are already performed at that time.
I therefore opt for the first solution.
So despite that I cannot remember the special use case and technical
reason that once lead to the feature not to allow to install stable
releases over each other, I think it is very clever. It might sound
inconvenient but in many cases the re-installation fixes the problem that
lead a user to the action to try to install over the same stable release.
Wow it's so clever .... You do not even read what I write about people that
might not be able to uninstall LyX, because they thought deleting the LyX
directory would help in getting a fresh install.
You will always find a case when it can fail. if the user changes something manually we will be lost
anyway. He might have deleted the uninstaller or removed LyX's registry settings or whatever. This
is like when you have problems with you car and remove a cable from the battery. The nowadays
wide-spread car diagnosis toll will then fail.
(Note that installing over other minor releases is and was always allowed.)
Here you're telling plain lies. I had to fight with you to allow
installing over other minor releases. First everyone had to uninstall the
previous version. And the default for uninstalling was to delete all
preferences. Telling lies is what upsets people.
Please excuse, I did not remember that. I was referring to the state AFTER I dropped my former
update-installer.
Besides this, I cannot remember each and every case in detail and don't have the time to search for
all issues the mail archives. If I remember a case incorrectly or even not, then just tell me but
please don't think that I lie (which is something one does purposely).
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Does the new installer for RC1 work for you with your long PATH?
thanks and regards
Uwe
