On 2023-10-13 17:24, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Am Freitag, dem 13.10.2023 um 17:08 +0200 schrieb Daniel:
I agree that the menus of these apps are complex. But that might be
in their nature.
Well, they are aware of it:
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/01/22/way-down-in-the-libreoffice-menus/
I guess the Ribbon was a (maybe controversial) attempt to
solve this problem.
Yes, probably. With the result that you don't find things anymore at
all. And Ribbons even more infringe the policy you refer to. They hide
function from the user if they place it in (rather opaque) categories.
But I think LyX with its hidden menus is actually
worse to figure out. I am still discovering (otherwise) hidden menu
entries and I have been using LyX for quite some time now.
I keep on discovering menu entries in LO and Word although they have
been displayed all the time.
It might be different habits, but I search for menu entries when I need
them. And this is when they are usually enabled.
The problem is that one does not even know what to look for if one
doesn't know of a possible functionality. This seems even worse in LyX
because it is in certain ways a more unique application.
In context when they do not work at all they only distract attention.
I have not noticed that. I usually find that disabled menus are easy to
disregard when I do not explicitly try to discover some function. And
typically I have greater problems with disregarding stuff than other people.
Another problem with disappearing menus is that the other menus shift
positions. That is a bit annoying too.
If I want to learn about LyX's functionality, I consult the manuals.
I think people typically don't read software manuals. Maybe too bad but
a fact that developers should honor. Maybe LyX users are different but I
have my doubts.
If it is really necessary to cut down on menu entries in the "Insert"
menu when disabled entries get enabled: For example, create a
separate "References" menu.
References is just a single submenu in the Insert menu. That won't
solve the problem. And, after all, if References are to be _inserted_,
I would expect them under Insert.
I meant the group of "References" as in "Citation", "Cross-References",
"Label", "Caption", etc. These are typically subsumed under "References"
in other word processors. (But if more entries for such a menu are
needed, then entries in "List/TOC/References" might be added as well.)
Daniel
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