>>>>> "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 11:29:41AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes John> wrote: No. This is not what the ellipsis means. The elipsis John> means : >> John> "I need further information before I can complete your request". >> Where is this specified? John> This is where I give the URLs to all the guidelines again huh ? OK, first a note: these are guidelines for a good gnome or mac os interface. This means that they will be relevant when we do have a gnome or mac os port. John> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/1.0/menus.html The relevant part is Label the menu item with a trailing ellipsis ("...") only if the command requires further input from the user before it can be performed. Do not add an ellipsis to items that only present a confirmation dialog (such as Delete), or that do not require further input (such as Properties, Preferences or About). Note that our "about lyx..." has an ellipsis :) I can understand that about does not need ..., since one does not need further action to see the information. But for a preference panel, except if one is supposed to only want to _look_ at the information and not change it, I do not see why the ellipsis would be useless. John> http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/mac/HIGuidelines/HIGuidelines-84.html#MARKER-2-83 This one says: The ellipsis character doesn't simply mean that a dialog box or window will appear. For example in the Finder File menu, the Get Info command doesn't have an ellipsis character and shouldn't. When you select a Finder object and choose Get Info, a window appears displaying information about the object. The window appearing simply completes the command. The command doesn't require additional input from the user before it executes. I agree about what they say (which would indeed apply to "about"), but note also that in their "Do this instead" example there is a menu item "Publisher Options..." :) I think you are misreading these guidelines. I will complete this with the KDE style guide http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/style/menus/index.html which says Notice that every item in a menu that first opens a dialog requiring additional information must be labelled with a trailing ellipsis (...) (e.g. Save As..., Open...). There's no space between the menu item and the "...". A simple confirmation dialog is not considered a dialog that requires additional information. I do not see here anything validating your claims. >> I do not see this in mozilla, nor in the John> Hardly a bastion of good UI ! Have you read mpt too much lately? [in fact I tend to agree with you...] JMarc
