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From: "Jean-Pierre Chrétien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
Stephen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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From: "Jean-Pierre Chrétien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp
> Angus Leeming <leeming <at> ...> writes:
[...]
> Should we understand this recent release of protext-1.3 as the MikTeX
> equivalent of TeXLive-2005 ?
>
I decided to test out your idea. I also did some investigating:
http://dojo.miktex.org/blogs/christian_schenk/archive/2005/07/01/73.aspx
"MiKTeX 2.4.2007 ISO image [posted by maintainer CSchenk]
I have uploaded a pretest version of the MiKTeX CD (ISO image):
http://www.tug.org/ftp/tex/miktex/
The final version (available some time in July) will be the base
for this year's ProTeXt."
md-2.4.2025.iso.bz2 19-Jul-2005 14:34 340M
Version: 2.4.2127 Date: Oct 28, 2005
SH: So yes, I would think so. The TexLive 2005 dvd
includes ProText and it can't be any newer than 1.3
And I don't think there will be an update cd of TL2005.
The TeXLive DVD/CD comes with 2 different distributions:
- on the DVD, a TeXLive-2005 installable on many platforms (including
Windows);
- on the CD, a ProTeXt-2005 self-extracting version.
I downloaded all of them but the DVD. The Windows installation of
Texlive2005-install iso is quite different than the ProText installation.
The Miktex maintainer complained about them wanting him to reduce
the Protext install by 50mb so that it would fit on the smaller cd iso
for TexLive 2005.
The 1.3 iso is 383mb and the miktex iso is 340mb compressed with bz2.
I guess protext-1.3.iso (a zip file) will be one of the CDs
of the nest TeXLive-2005 distro. Did you get it by download or from
the dvd/cd ?
In that case, I suspect the files/packages to be the same.
http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2005-November/009415.html
Karl Berry wrote:
"I don't plan to make any more package updates for TL 2005 (didn't
make any today, either), and am rebuilding the images now.
This still won't be the final image, though -- the German doc still
needs updating, at least, which I know Klaus is working on. Optionally
perhaps Vladimir and Manfred will rebuild powerpc-aix, sparc-solaris,
and i386-freebsd for the new devnag, but this is not critical."
I think it is likely that Protext 1.3 is on the TexLive-live 2005 dvd.
[..] record of the protext install
It is possible to download all the Miktex packages to disk and then
install.
But there is an Miktex iso (if you have a burner) that will serve the
same
purpose as the ProTeXt iso. But the Protext .exe will be better for some.
One problem is that the package versions are already 4 months old, and
in 6 months will be old with the next TexLive release still 6 months
further.
OK so protext-1.3 does not seem in sync with TexLive-2005.
I think they collected protext 1.3 in July and used it for the TexLive2005
dvd.
The Texlive 2005 cd installs a windows version, but not the Protext version.
Protext doesn't come with LyX but with TeXnic. LyX still needs Python
so a download or 3 is still needed. Going to the homepage of the needed
helper apps gives the chance for obtaining newer versions which will in
some
cases have a useful upgrade to the older version residing on the old
cd/.exe.
I doubt though, that the Miktex web setup gives as much as the Miktex
iso.
The Miktex web setup gave me 317mb in .cab files. The Protext iso had
around 355mb in cab files. The Miktex iso was 696/680mb depending
(I didn't see any cab files on the Miktex iso, I guess they were expanded.)
on what read it. Without running a comparison utility, the main difference
appears to be that ProText came with a trial version of Winedt. There may
be a small difference in the Miktex version used in the Miktex iso and
the Miktex version used in the Protext 1.3 iso/exe version of a couple
weeks.
Recall that C. Schenk said the Miktex would be used later for Protext 2005
which I read is on the dvd TexLive2005-live not the cd TexLive2005-inst.
In fact I created an iso image of all the Windows executable needed
by LyX (with protext-1.2, I use only the miktex part there, just unzip
and install), to provide autonomous LyX installation from CD.
It's a near miss to have the miktex.exe unzipped, but no way, the
size is over 700Mb in that case (454 w/protext-1.2).
--
Jean-Pierre
Yes, it seems that the Miktex or Protext iso install is more complete
than the web install, although I don't know why he would exclude
some packages from the web download in order put them only on cd.
It is convenient to have everything on the same cd, but in the linux
world they tend to keep them apart due to different licenses I suppose.
I imagine the Miktex expanded iso cd could also be winrared to fit the
rest of the helper apps on a different cd, then also ran from disk. The
Protext instruction manual, I worry, may be daunting for newcomers.
Thanks for the input,
Stephen
