On 03/26/2012 10:48 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 23/03/2012 12:33 a.m., Niklas Huldén escribió:
On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX
you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc,
besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order
acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do
this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen
the
need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10
references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand".
The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite
more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I
usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from
different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references
as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus.
Niklas Huldén
Imagine now that you have finished your work, but then your editor
tells you that he wants the bibliography in Vancouver format, but you
have write it in consecutive order of appearance format, then you must
re-sort one by one all the cites, imagine now that your work is a book
with 1e3 cites... You cannot educate all the editors in the planet, so
they agree from what they ask in the beginning and what they ask for
your final work (in thet period his/her taste might have changed, or
the publisher might change the requirements, etc)
I simply cannot imagine doing this right now with LyX without BibTeX.
My objective with this discussion is that BibTex must be integrated
into LyX in a way it is transparent for editors. Remember, as a
general rule editors doesn't want more than one file to read or to
compile.
As an advantage we gain is to have the behaviour you mentioned but now
with the power of BibTeX to re-sort and re-format cites.
So the way to get what you want most easily, it seems to me, is to use
BibTeX from the beginning, and then when you need to send the MS to the
editor, you export to LaTeX and run the script discussed here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4624
which is included with LyX. As also mentioned there, you can configure
an export format so that the script will run automatically. What it does
is embed the contents of the bbl file into the exported document in
place of the BibTeX stuff. If you reimport the generated file into LyX,
these will now appear as bibitems. Of course, you can undo the process
later, if you wish, by deleting all of them and re-inserting the BibTeX
stuff.
Building what is effectively a BibTeX editor into LyX does not look
worth the effort to me, given that one can do what I just described.
Richard
