> You did recieve a very thorough answer. That it won't work, and why not,
Sure. And meanwhile, I understood why not. But not thanks to the replies I got here, but thanks to the reply on the Raspberry Pi group. Thorough answer ? Maybe to you, but not to me. Anyway, AFAIK, nobody tried it. Like everybody was convinced that heavy objects<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Falling_bodies> fall faster than light ones, untill some guy climbed a tower<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Stevin#Geometry,_physics_and_trigonometry> and tried it. > and what it would take to make it work. Can't remember reading that. > All that will happen is BASIC will jump to a particular address, which jumps > to the FC error. Does it jump to FC Error directly, or because it checks that there is nothing hanging on the system bus? That could be determined by looking at the ROM-code. But again, AFAIK, nobody checked that. (at least, nobody posted it) So, you probably need software to prevent the FC error, just like the driver from the DVI. Would that be difficult to write? Hasn't anybody dis-assembled the code for the DVI? You'd only need the video-portion. Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus / Jan-80@work From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of Brian White Sent: dinsdag 13 februari 2018 17:25 To: m...@bitchin100.com Subject: Re: [M100] List of wanna haves You did recieve a very thorough answer. That it won't work, and why not, and what it would take to make it work. All that will happen is BASIC will jump to a particular address, which jumps to the FC error. -- bkw On Feb 13, 2018 8:53 AM, "VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN" <jan.vandenboss...@vivaqua.be<mailto:jan.vandenboss...@vivaqua.be>> wrote: I have asked the Raspberry Pi community to help me with the construction of a DVI-like video-output device. I made the assumption that the DVI was only a terminal. Both from the response here, as there, I understand now that this combination is far more 'intimate' than I presumed. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1271713#p1271713 I hope that the response given in the above thread helps and incites people, with far better and more knowledge of the processes and controllers involved, to pick up on this project and propose the parameters for a video-interface. As far as I understand, the driver loaded from the DVI re-maps the video controller of the M100 towards the one in the DVI, where new tekst and graphics are generated. The 4K memory in the schematics is obviously the video-RAM, where 40x16 text (640 bytes) and 240x128 points (3840 bytes) reside. I suppose text and graphics do not reside in different memory locations. (because it doesn't fit...) Anyway, contrary to what I thought before, we will probably need to activate the SCREEN 1, 1 directive with software on the M100 itself. But that software does not need to be as big as the original driver, because no disk-routines are necessary. I'm sorry if I sound presumptuous, and I apologise if I impose on people's limited time, but I think this is a project worth pursuing. (And I still didn't get an answer about the experiment I proposed, below.) Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus Jan-80 """"" @ work ( @ @ ) --------------.ooo--(_)--ooo.--- From: VANDEN BOSSCHE JAN Sent: vrijdag 9 februari 2018 09:47 To: 'm...@bitchin100.com<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>' Subject: RE: [M100] List of wanna haves .. .. (As I'm accessing this list from 2 different locations, .. .. and my yahoo-postings aren't always visible to everyone, .. .. I have repeated the question I send below) I'm sadly enough not that technical, so I can't draw the same conclusion from the link below. Can't that be confirmed from the ROM BASIC dis-assembly too? Without a DVI connected and drivers loaded, what does SCREEN 1,1 do ? Anyway, even if it is wrong: would it take a lot of effort to re-write only the display output portion of the DVI-drivers? That way, development could start on a software solution for the video-output via the system bus. I had thought of using the GPIO-pins of a Raspberry Pi for that. As the R.Pi can also emulate a TPDD, you'd have a virtual DVI replacement, there. Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus Jan-80 """"" @ work ( @ @ ) --------------.ooo--(_)--ooo.--- From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of Brian White Sent: vrijdag 9 februari 2018 01:59 To: m...@bitchin100.com<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com> Subject: Re: [M100] List of wanna haves That won't work. I don't remember where I read this, but I read that the system rom has calls for certain functions but they are just stubs. The rom only contains the stub of a call that says "open CRT: for writing" which just says go to some address and do whatever that address says. Normally that address just points to the address for the built-in routine to return the FC? error. But if dvi dos is installed then that address contains the address of the routine in dvi dos to actually do something. Aha, here's where I read it. Start on page 257 https://archive.org/details/InsideTheTrs80Model100 I can try it when I get home but we already know. -- bkw From: Jan Vanden Bossche [mailto:jan80...@yahoo.com] > how would you use it? To have a bigger screen to work on, when not on the move. Imagine, a 17-inch old VGA monitor with 40 x 24 characters! HUUUUUGE! I have a question, for anybody having a DVI: Could you try the following: is it possible to operate a Model T hooked up to a DVI, with the DVI ready to accept input and disk commands, but the Model T without the driver software? I would think this is possible when you boot up both machines, establish the connection, and then, while connected, reset the Model so that it is no longer aware of it's 'companion'. At that moment, enter BASIC and type SCREEN 1,1. That would send all BASIC output to the DVI, right? Does it ? (thàt's the question) The above experiment would show if it's at all possible to run a monitor-only part of a DVI, without loading software on the Model T to do so. I hope, that the simple command SCREEN 1,1 does send some screen-positioning code through the bus towards the DVI, even without the drivers loaded on the Model T. If it does, some clever programming on the receiving side could just give us the DVI/video-only device we seek. Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus Jan-80 ________________________________ From: Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com<mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>> To: m...@bitchin100.com<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com> Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2018, 3:49 Subject: Re: [M100] List of wanna haves Just curious: how would you use it? m ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Kindig" <randall.kin...@gmail.com<mailto:randall.kin...@gmail.com>> > Agreed! 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