I think in this case it's because the sender invited judgement by asking what the reciever thought of his work.
I always understood "no judge / no jury" to mean that all works would be included in the resulting show / documentation (unlike non mail art shows where subjective ideas like we're discussing are part of a selection process). So for me it seems like a stretch to attatch a taboo that deals with whether or not a person enjoyed an individual work - especially when asked directly. --- In ma-network@yahoogroups.com, "kevin thurston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i've seen art that i thought was in no way interesting or engaging to me. > but, in each case, there must be at least 1 that does find a work > interesting or engaging and if mail-art is supposedly the bastion of no > judge/no jury it is hard to understand why this thread is even occuring > here. > > On 6/19/06, mailart_manekineko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It's ok to express that some art is boring. Some art sucks. Are you > > telling me you've never come across a piece of art that sucks? > > > > What I am observing is a whole lot of ideas in mail art becoming > > stale as time and technology move on. > > > > I am seeing social networking via abstract means as a mainstream > > activity now. > > > > I am seeing abstract means of trading creative goods as a headline > > news story almost every week. > > > > I am seeing poetry ala Rain Rien Lambertism showing up in my spam box > > every day. > > > > I am seeing creative and decorative advertisements mailed to my house > > in bulk via corporations. > > > > And I'm seeing people posting very mundane details of their eveyday > > lives on the web daily. > > > > So for me, art that corresponds with these things is less > > interesting - the world I live in is so saturated with these things > > already. > > > > --- In ma-network@yahoogroups.com <ma-network% 40yahoogroups.com>, "kevin > > thurston" > > <kevin.thurston@> wrote: > > > > > > the following is a response, like the others, that have not seen > > the work in > > > question. so, i too will type in generalities. > > > > > > while i appreciate the candor, i disagree with the assessment. a > > collection > > > of receipts and other detritus can make for fascinating art, or at > > least a > > > social record (and there certainly is room in art for the idea of > > social > > > mapping) that one can view as art. > > > > > > it seems pretentious to think that a few rubber stamps on an > > envelope (grant > > > you this is a glib example) somehow trumps a package of receipts. > > because in > > > both cases the intent (to make something that can be called 'mail > > art') is > > > there. > > > > > > be interested in what you will, but to think that what is > > interesting to you > > > is intrinsically more interesting is a dangerous path to head down. > > > > > > frankly, i think plenty of mail art is produced by factories in the > > third > > > world where they give children $0.000000004/hour some glue and, oh > > look, > > > social detritus and say decorate this and send it-- > > > > > > On 6/18/06, mailart_manekineko <manekineko@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd likely tell him it sucked. > > > > > > > > "How do you like my reciepts and can labels?" > > > > > > > > "I think they suck, why do you ask?" > > > > > > > > Just because it's art doen't mean it's interesting. > > > > > > > > --manekineko > > > > www.mailart.org > > > > > > > > --- In ma-network@yahoogroups.com <ma-network% 40yahoogroups.com><ma-network%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Alice > > > > Kitselman <dragonfly@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi gang, > > > > > > > > > > Last month I received a piece of mail art from someone I'd not > > > > > heard from before. He sent me a decorated envelope with a bunch > > of > > > > > daily junk in it. You know like receipts and pages from a > > > > calendar, > > > > > food labels...... He asked what I thought of his mail art. > > Yikes, > > > > I > > > > > thought. Well, to be honest I like to see a little more art in > > my > > > > > mail art I ventured to say. I sent him back a print of you of my > > > > > digital art pieces and decorated the envelope. His response was > > > > that > > > > > he used to do drawing and perhaps one day he would send me one. > > He > > > > > also said that maybe some folks are just "more serious" about > > > > their > > > > > mail art. So this has got me thinking.....what in the world did > > he > > > > > mean by that? Serious about mail art? I think long ago i was > > > > > "serious" about mail art. I kept a file on my computer of names > > > > and > > > > > addresses and what I'd sent to who and when. I updated my > > website > > > > at > > > > > least weekly. I sent out mail art every day. I issued a few mail > > > > art > > > > > calls over the years and posted the receivings on the website. I > > > > sent > > > > > out documentation. I entered mail art calls left and right. I > > > > updated > > > > > my lists.....it went on and on. It was fun. I really felt I was > > > > part > > > > > of something. But over the years my lists became pages in a note > > > > > book. I did not have the time or interest to update my site as > > > > often > > > > > as I'd like to. I forgot to list what I sent to who... I no > > longer > > > > > could keep up with entering mail art calls on my site and opted > > for > > > > a > > > > > guestbook when folks could post their calls. And then as life > > > > would > > > > > have it I faded out of mail art for a couple of years. The mail > > > > art > > > > > kept arriving but I just could not keep up. Talk about GUILT!!! > > > > > Eventually folks quit sending as much and some folks just kept > > on > > > > > sending. Finally, finally I slowly got back into sending stuff > > out. > > > > I > > > > > haven't made an artistamp in years. I really haven't sent stuff > > > > out > > > > > to any calls. I pretty much gave up on keeping lists and send > > > > > whatever I feel like out rather than worrying about it. So am I > > > > > serious about mail art? Yes, I think so. But what is serious > > about > > > > > mail art anyway????????? > > > > > > > > > > Dragonfly Dream > > > > > www.dragonflydream.com > > > > > > > > > > "Paradise is exactly like where you are right now... only much, > > > > > much better." > > > > > -- Laurie Anderson ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! 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