When Jellybean does come out for Motorola Droid 4, if I want to still still use MA, can I without any problem?
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: ma_mailing Digest, Vol 412, Issue 3 Send ma_mailing mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ma_mailing digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: jellybean and screen reader (Omar Binno) 2. RE: jellybean and screen reader (Jarrod Jicha) 3. Re: jellybean and screen reader (Omar Binno) 4. Re: ma_mailing Digest, Vol 412, Issue 2 (Danny Mathis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:45:15 -0400 From: Omar Binno <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MA] jellybean and screen reader To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <caegee1v-c7fjggbbnozxdmtxnr68jfcvtidvyzimman+npw...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So since I don't need MA with ICS, are there any other aps I need to download to make things more accessible? On 10/24/12, Jarrod Jicha <[email protected]> wrote: > Again, you don't need MA with ICS. It is a total waist of time in ICS, > and I really wish that CF would actually listen to there customewrs > for a change! > Braille mode? Big deal! Who cairs! Come on! Why not make something > that is, oh, I don't know, how about usefull, like a virtual d-pad in > there keyboard, > like the eyes-free keyboard has? As most of us know we can't use MA with > the eyes free keyboard at all! And in ICS sometimes there are times, > when using the d-pad in eyes free keyboard is a bit easier. But if you > are using MA, you can forget it! You can't even type with the > eyes-free keyboard if you use MA as your screen reader. You just hear > blank blank blank blank > > > > Lets also talk about the proximity sensor! It don't work outside of > the MA apps in ICS. I have tried it on two phones that have ICS, and > when you are outside of MA's apps, the proximity sensor doesn't stop the speech at all! > > > > I could go on and on, but I bet you have all heard, and seen enough. > Personally? I would love to use MA again because I love the voice. > But until CF actually takes some time, and puts some effort into MA > for ICS and higher, I guess I can kiss that 100 goodbye! > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Omar Binno > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 5:12 AM > To: 'Mobile Accessibility Android Users List' > Subject: RE: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > > > > Thank you. One other question, the phone is not upgradable to jb yet, > but it is upgradable to icecream sandwitch. Will I need mobile > accessibility with icecream sandwitch? > > > > Omar Binno > > Website: www.bigoproductions.net > > > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Miller > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:23 PM > To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List > Subject: Re: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > > With Jelly Bean, there is no need for Mobile Accessibility. Talkback > or Spiel will fill your needs. > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:53:36 -0400 From: "Jarrod Jicha" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [MA] jellybean and screen reader To: "'Mobile Accessibility Android Users List'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <01d201cdb1e6$9583ce10$c08b6a30$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will tell you what I will work on today for you. I will record a podcast that might be a bit long, but I will purposely install MA on my Kyocera Hydro that is running ICS. I will show you some of the problems I run into on a day to day basus with it, and why you wouldn't wan tto use it under ICS. I will then turn it off, and show you two programs, spiel, and talkback, wich work under ICS. If you are going jellybean, pay more attention to talkback, as spiel don't work under jellybean yet for what I have heard. This will show everyone the differences between the three screen readers under ICS. Give me a couple hours to throw something together. It won't be profetionally done, but you will get the point, and maybe, just maybe, CF will download this file, and see how under ICS, MA is a joke! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:45 AM To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List Subject: Re: [MA] jellybean and screen reader So since I don't need MA with ICS, are there any other aps I need to download to make things more accessible? On 10/24/12, Jarrod Jicha <[email protected]> wrote: > Again, you don't need MA with ICS. It is a total waist of time in ICS, > and I really wish that CF would actually listen to there customewrs > for a change! > Braille mode? Big deal! Who cairs! Come on! Why not make something > that is, oh, I don't know, how about usefull, like a virtual d-pad in > there keyboard, > like the eyes-free keyboard has? As most of us know we can't use MA with > the eyes free keyboard at all! And in ICS sometimes there are times, > when using the d-pad in eyes free keyboard is a bit easier. But if you > are using MA, you can forget it! You can't even type with the > eyes-free keyboard if you use MA as your screen reader. You just hear > blank blank blank blank > > > > Lets also talk about the proximity sensor! It don't work outside of > the MA apps in ICS. I have tried it on two phones that have ICS, and > when you are outside of MA's apps, the proximity sensor doesn't stop > the speech at all! > > > > I could go on and on, but I bet you have all heard, and seen enough. > Personally? I would love to use MA again because I love the voice. > But until CF actually takes some time, and puts some effort into MA > for ICS and higher, I guess I can kiss that 100 goodbye! > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Omar Binno > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 5:12 AM > To: 'Mobile Accessibility Android Users List' > Subject: RE: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > > > > Thank you. One other question, the phone is not upgradable to jb yet, > but it is upgradable to icecream sandwitch. Will I need mobile > accessibility with icecream sandwitch? > > > > Omar Binno > > Website: www.bigoproductions.net > > > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Miller > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:23 PM > To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List > Subject: Re: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > > With Jelly Bean, there is no need for Mobile Accessibility. Talkback > or Spiel will fill your needs. > > _______________________________________________ ma_mailing mailing list [email protected] http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:56:07 -0400 From: Omar Binno <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MA] jellybean and screen reader To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <CAEgEe1VJTvtcQRncWkd=_fkkp-k5uj9bk-dmy7fak8e95gk...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Talkback already comes with droid, correct? Thanks, and looking forward to your podcast. On 10/24/12, Jarrod Jicha <[email protected]> wrote: > I will tell you what I will work on today for you. > > I will record a podcast that might be a bit long, but I will purposely > install MA on my Kyocera Hydro that is running ICS. I will show you > some of the problems I run into on a day to day basus with it, and why > you wouldn't wan tto use it under ICS. I will then turn it off, and > show you two programs, spiel, and talkback, wich work under ICS. If > you are going jellybean, pay more attention to talkback, as spiel > don't work under jellybean yet for what I have heard. This will show > everyone the differences between the three screen readers under ICS. > > Give me a couple hours to throw something together. It won't be > profetionally done, but you will get the point, and maybe, just maybe, > CF will download this file, and see how under ICS, MA is a joke! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Omar Binno > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:45 AM > To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List > Subject: Re: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > > So since I don't need MA with ICS, are there any other aps I need to > download to make things more accessible? > > On 10/24/12, Jarrod Jicha <[email protected]> wrote: >> Again, you don't need MA with ICS. It is a total waist of time in >> ICS, and I really wish that CF would actually listen to there >> customewrs for a change! >> Braille mode? Big deal! Who cairs! Come on! Why not make something >> that is, oh, I don't know, how about usefull, like a virtual d-pad in >> there keyboard, >> like the eyes-free keyboard has? As most of us know we can't use MA >> with >> the eyes free keyboard at all! And in ICS sometimes there are times, >> when using the d-pad in eyes free keyboard is a bit easier. But if >> you are using MA, you can forget it! You can't even type with the >> eyes-free keyboard if you use MA as your screen reader. You just hear >> blank blank blank blank >> >> >> >> Lets also talk about the proximity sensor! It don't work outside of >> the MA apps in ICS. I have tried it on two phones that have ICS, and >> when you are outside of MA's apps, the proximity sensor doesn't stop >> the > speech at all! >> >> >> >> I could go on and on, but I bet you have all heard, and seen enough. >> Personally? I would love to use MA again because I love the voice. >> But until CF actually takes some time, and puts some effort into MA >> for ICS and higher, I guess I can kiss that 100 goodbye! >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Omar Binno >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 5:12 AM >> To: 'Mobile Accessibility Android Users List' >> Subject: RE: [MA] jellybean and screen reader >> >> >> >> Thank you. One other question, the phone is not upgradable to jb yet, >> but it is upgradable to icecream sandwitch. Will I need mobile >> accessibility with icecream sandwitch? >> >> >> >> Omar Binno >> >> Website: www.bigoproductions.net >> >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Miller >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:23 PM >> To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List >> Subject: Re: [MA] jellybean and screen reader >> >> With Jelly Bean, there is no need for Mobile Accessibility. Talkback >> or Spiel will fill your needs. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > ma_mailing mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailin > g > > _______________________________________________ > ma_mailing mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailin > g > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:09:21 -0400 From: Danny Mathis <[email protected]> Subject: [MA] Re: ma_mailing Digest, Vol 412, Issue 2 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <cakbx6r0j54qy2cgdhbwcwnd2uik4gbkq0mapdydg1xgaiz2...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Like Jerry said "I love what he said" moble accessibility is not needed for ICS or jelly bean. I have MA installed on my phone but outside of it pushing back the touch wiz in a call it never gets used. Personally if you need help ask one of us on here or the eyes-free list to help you. Heck add me to heytel or zelo I would be more then glad to help when I can. Zello has a eyes-free channel that a person "kyle" made for android accessible questions Look for "eyes-free" you will find it. Like Jerry said, I to can kiss off the $100 I paid for MA seeings how I do not use gingerbred or lower. On 10/24/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Send ma_mailing mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailin > g > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ma_mailing digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: jellybean and screen reader (Omar Binno) > 2. RE: jellybean and screen reader (Jarrod Jicha) > 3. RE: jellybean and screen reader (Jarrod Jicha) > 4. RE: jellybean and screen reader (Jarrod Jicha) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 05:12:13 -0400 > From: "Omar Binno" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > To: "'Mobile Accessibility Android Users List'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <EC7FB8EB847042CABEB43D009CB3C7BC@OmarBinno> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thank you. One other question, the phone is not upgradable to jb yet, > but it is upgradable to icecream sandwitch. Will I need mobile > accessibility with icecream sandwitch? > > > Omar Binno > > Website: www.bigoproductions.net > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Miller > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:23 PM > To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List > Subject: Re: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > > > With Jelly Bean, there is no need for Mobile Accessibility. Talkback > or Spiel will fill your needs. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/private/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing > /attachments/20121024/00d0d18a/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:28:12 -0400 > From: "Jarrod Jicha" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > To: "'Mobile Accessibility Android Users List'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <01a201cdb1e3$08ca4a60$1a5edf20$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My thoughts? MA is completely and totally a waist of time, and > completely useless in ICS, and Jellybean! CF has not made serious > updates to MA for people that use ICS, or Jellybean, and I think this is just atroshis! > Personally I woulde love to use MA, if for no other reason but the voice! > However, it is a joke in ICS, and higher! > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Omar Binno > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > > > > Hello, > > > > I got a Motorola Droid 4 through verizon several months ago but never > activated it. I'm getting ready to activate it now and wanted to get > some feedback on something. My sighted brother also has a droid phone > which is upgraded to the Jellybean droid. He says that he tried the > built-in screen reader with Jellybean and that it works with > everything; including texting, emails, browsing, etc, and he feels > that purchasing mobile speak is unnecessary. My droid 4 is upgradable > to Jellybean also. Of course, this is coming from someone sighted, so > the input is questionable. What are some thoughts on this? > > > > Thanks for any and all help. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/private/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing > /attachments/20121024/fa8ff2e1/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:28:49 -0400 > From: "Jarrod Jicha" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > To: "'Mobile Accessibility Android Users List'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <01a701cdb1e3$1f4a2da0$5dde88e0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Actually spiel doesnt work in JB jst yet, for what I have heard. I > dont have JB, but I do follow another list, wair people have talked about it. > > > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Miller > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:23 PM > To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List > Subject: Re: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > > > > With Jelly Bean, there is no need for Mobile Accessibility. Talkback > or Spiel will fill your needs. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/private/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing > /attachments/20121024/57d52067/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:33:31 -0400 > From: "Jarrod Jicha" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > To: "'Mobile Accessibility Android Users List'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <01bb01cdb1e3$c7158020$55408060$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Again, you don't need MA with ICS. It is a total waist of time in ICS, > and I really wish that CF would actually listen to there customewrs > for a change! > Braille mode? Big deal! Who cairs! Come on! Why not make something > that is, oh, I don't know, how about usefull, like a virtual d-pad in > there keyboard, > like the eyes-free keyboard has? As most of us know we can't use MA with > the eyes free keyboard at all! And in ICS sometimes there are times, > when using the d-pad in eyes free keyboard is a bit easier. But if you > are using MA, you can forget it! You can't even type with the > eyes-free keyboard if you use MA as your screen reader. You just hear > blank blank blank blank > > > > Lets also talk about the proximity sensor! It don't work outside of > the MA apps in ICS. I have tried it on two phones that have ICS, and > when you are outside of MA's apps, the proximity sensor doesn't stop the speech at all! > > > > I could go on and on, but I bet you have all heard, and seen enough. > Personally? I would love to use MA again because I love the voice. > But until CF actually takes some time, and puts some effort into MA > for ICS and higher, I guess I can kiss that 100 goodbye! > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Omar Binno > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 5:12 AM > To: 'Mobile Accessibility Android Users List' > Subject: RE: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > > > > Thank you. One other question, the phone is not upgradable to jb yet, > but it is upgradable to icecream sandwitch. Will I need mobile > accessibility with icecream sandwitch? > > > > Omar Binno > > Website: www.bigoproductions.net > > > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Miller > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:23 PM > To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List > Subject: Re: [MA] jellybean and screen reader > > With Jelly Bean, there is no need for Mobile Accessibility. 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