Hi Donal This has been bugged with Apple and will be fixed.
Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? Dónal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: > Nic, > > Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new > download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a > downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was > disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the > web page when switching between tabs. > > I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but > quite rare. > > I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to > remove the optical drive from that too. > > Chris > On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Gordon, >> >> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these >> bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user >> error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is >> that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would >> open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is >> accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs >> definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad >> enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some >> general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render >> HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems >> to be the case under OS X Lion. >> >> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. >> Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be >> quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible >> workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to >> nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of >> them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not >> always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them >> has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to >> understand. >> >> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight >> away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to >> fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. >> While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that >> the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not >> they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >> >> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a >> friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly >> get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want >> to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >> >> I wish you luck, in any case. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> David >>> >>> The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that >>> you'd get. >>> >>> Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, >>> unreservedly, just condemn. >>> >>> I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that >>> there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: >>> >>> The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days >>> has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac >>> today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects >>> like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. >>> Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these >>> issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web >>> browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions >>> I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money >>> Apple are asking me for. >>> It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without >>> also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. >>> It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective >>> upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original >>> install confident everything works well. >>> >>> This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the >>> belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. 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