Hi Thomas I am happy that you now have things sorted. Yes, I am not surprised that your disk image was the Lion OS. Apple finally made the process of burning a DVD of their operating system quite late in the test phase of Mountain Lion, which did take some by surprise. As for the hardware validation, I think it's only going to get tighter. But I guess the question is how long will it be before some company challenges Apple's new policies via legal avenues. I am not in any way trying to suggest that Apple has broken the law. Although that having be said, I do wonder whether the practices might qualify as restraint of trade, unfair competition, etc. etc.. One can only wait and see, I guess.
Gordon On 28 Jul 2012, at 23:56, Thomas McMahan <de.kf...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Gordon, the install dmg does turn out to be my old Lion one, glad you pointed that out to me, had forgotten that I had intentionally put the M L one at another place until I can back it up on thumb drive, in other words not at a place where I am likely to drop it in trash or something like that. I checked it and it is the 4.35 gb package, and this other one was my Lion one, which at this point I guess would have little use for. As for the hardware validation and control, doesn't surprise me one bit, and I like you don't have very good feelings about that. Don't mind the validation to a degree, but to use that as a major control factor to force customers to buy only their product where they can intentionally inflate prices is wrong. Going for the mark up might bring you money in the short term, but can kill in the long term. Didn't Apple get burned with some of that in the late 80s early 90s in the question of whether to allow cloning or not? Apple didn't allow, and Big Blue did and that is why there are so many of their look a likes around even though Apple had the better product, the volume just pounded them. But that discussion is more of a business strategy discussion and not really germane to the list, so I guess I will take my punishment *lol*. However, the validation of hardware would explain why my external cd burner would work for some time then stopped working on my old power pc. As upgrades would come along I guess it would verify what I was doing. To bad it didn't verify that my cd drive wasn't working anymore, well ejecting it didn't work anymore *lol*. If I'm lucky it might read from it but forget burning on either one of them. Seems more if it says "unsupported" chances are it means "this aint going to happen for you." Well just bought me a junk Windows laptop and used it for burning instead until I got the new machine here. Took some time and some good breaks to save up for it but got it done. Hopefully it will last 10 years like the old power pc will have done when December comes along this year. And yes it does work fine except for the cd drive's tray, and of course the fact that it can no longer upgrade past Tiger. On Jul 28, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Gordon Smith <gor...@mac-access.net> wrote: > Thomas > > There's no such thing as a "compressed" .dmg image. Not, at least, in this > context. A disk image is just like an .iso image used in other operating > systems. Neither is compressed. The files are exactly as they would be if you > were to open a folder. That is how you're able to mount the image without the > need for decompression utilities. > > I would suggest that if you have an installdvd.dmg on your desktop, it's most > likely Lion. The Mountain Lion disk image is indeed 4.35 GB which is too > large for a single-layer DVD. Apple is moving away from physical media boot > systems in favor of either USB thumb drives or Internet-based operating > system downloads. > > For example, if you boot the new Mac Minis and have a blank hard drive, > there's a firmware-based recovery assistant which allows you to download the > operating system via the Internet subject to a valid Apple ID and hardware > verification. Apple is also now much more strictly validating hardware in > your machines. For instance, if you have a non-Apple authorized memory > module or two in your machine, even if they meet the technical specifications > which Apple uses precisely, the hardware validation can fail and you won't be > able to download the operating system via the recovery mechanism. The same > is true if you change the hard drive in your machine and or use SDD media in > its place. The media has to be validated and authorized by Apple otherwise > the recovery process can fail. > > This is something which most people are probably not aware of, but all the > same it is now true. So, for instance, the "Lion Disk Maker" which Sarah has > recently discussed is now obsolete, as I also said in a recent reply to > Sarah's message. You can no longer create a DVD of the operating system, as > the disk image contents in the package are too large. This is no accident. > > Apple really is squeezing the process tightly now, so be mindful of this if > you ever want to change your hardware configuration. To be honest, I really > find Apple's policies of hardware validation disgusting. They are > effectively telling their customers that, if they want to upgrade memory or > hard drives, they must do so using Apple-authorised components, paying > Apple's massively inflated prices. > > Now, all that having been said, our machines do have hardware in them which > we didn't purchase from Apple. I performed memory upgrades on 8 of our 9 Mac > Minis. They all now have 8GB of RAM which I bought in bulk earlier this year > from Crucial. That memory seems to satisfy the validation process. What I > talk about above is information which I was given by an apple employee. 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