The sideways jester for me does not work either. but that's because I cannot 
spread my fingers that far apart for accomplishing that. I wonder if the custom 
jesters would work for doing this? and if so, how?
On Nov 9, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Danny Noonan <da...@familynoonan.net> wrote:

> I will say that I use a sideways pinch in or out, not up and down as it seems 
> easier to get a straight line movement with out making the interface think 
> I'm doing a roter. Also, it doesn't get confused with the up and down swipes 
> and think I'm attempting a word up/down etc gesture.
> 
> Danny:
> 
> On 10/11/2012, at 7:57 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> <ch...@clgproductions.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah?  I already attempted that method as well, and it didn't seem to work.
>> 
>> Sorry if I'm getting frustrating to you all.  Maybe I should just drop the 
>> subject.  I don't wanna give up on it, but I honest to god don't know 
>> anything left to try.
>> 
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Noonan" <da...@familynoonan.net>
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net>
>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 3:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: Copy and Paste: IOS: Mail and Safari
>> 
>> 
>>> You can't use a finger on each hand and move your hands apart?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my phone
>>> 
>>> On 10/11/2012, at 5:07 AM, Sarah Alawami <marri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It does not work for me rather. it acts like I"m turning the rotor. This 
>>>> is one set of jesters i cannot master due to wrist problems and I really 
>>>> wish apple would have come up with a  better way to do this all from the 
>>>> edit rotor. using swipe down jesters. I've suggested this to them but so 
>>>> far no go.
>>>> 
>>>> Be blessed.
>>>> On Nov 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Christopher Gilland <ch...@clgproductions.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Collin,
>>>>> 
>>>>> That is exactly what I was doing, but the pinching gesture isn't working.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:03 AM, "Red.Falcon" 
>>>>> <velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Chris!
>>>>>> OK you know when you pinch your thumb and finger together!
>>>>>> If you put them at the beginning of the word you wish to select and 
>>>>>> keeping them on the screen just open them or to deselect put them on 
>>>>>> screen opened and pinch together!
>>>>>> Does this help!
>>>>>> Of course if you got it set to line then you will of course select each 
>>>>>> line! *smile*
>>>>>> Colin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9 Nov 2012, at 15:53, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>>>> <ch...@clgproductions.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Actually, I don't completely understand.  I understand about moving the 
>>>>>>> rotor to whatever, lines, words, etc. but I'm not getting the whole 
>>>>>>> thing about separating two fingers.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you kindly,
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>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniela Rubio" <mabuha...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:15 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Copy and Paste: IOS: Mail and Safari
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>>> To select text in other places rather than an edit field, you just 
>>>>>>>> need to set your rotor on the mode you will select; let's say, words, 
>>>>>>>> sentences, lines, etc.
>>>>>>>> When you have it, just pace your cursor, with your finger flick down 
>>>>>>>> or up at the start of the block of text you want to select. Then, 
>>>>>>>> separate 2 fingers from the centre of the screen, and each time you 
>>>>>>>> separate them, you will select a block. If your rotor was on words, 
>>>>>>>> you will select word by word each time you separate your fingers, if 
>>>>>>>> it is on lines, you will then go line by line.
>>>>>>>> I hope I am being clear and that this information helps you.
>>>>>>>> Take care!
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Daniela Rubio
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>>>>>>>> El 09/11/2012, a las 13:30, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>>>>>> <ch...@clgproductions.com> escribió:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK, I have an iPhone 4S, an iPad 1st Generation, an iPad 3rd 
>>>>>>>>> Generation, and an iPad Mini.  So, as you probably can guess, I am 
>>>>>>>>> quite an I O S Guru. Having said that though, this is one thing, that 
>>>>>>>>> to this very day still puzzles me.  I know that in a text field, I 
>>>>>>>>> can turn my rotor to "Edit", and then one finger flick down to select 
>>>>>>>>> all, double tap, then one finger flick down to copy, or cut, and 
>>>>>>>>> double tap.  Then go to another text box, make sure I'm on "Edit", 
>>>>>>>>> then one finger flick to paste, and double tap.  But here's where 
>>>>>>>>> the, yeah, but... comes in. Let's say that I'm in the Mail app, and 
>>>>>>>>> I've just opened up an e-mail, oh, what the heck, we'll just say from 
>>>>>>>>> my friend.  He's giving me his flight
>>>>>>>>> itinerary number, what concorse he'll be in, etc.  I need to e-mail 
>>>>>>>>> the information to my mother who's going to be picking him up. Again, 
>>>>>>>>> this is just a ficticious example, but it does stand my point in 
>>>>>>>>> perfect context. Yeah, I could forward my mother the entire e-mail, 
>>>>>>>>> but why? When I open the e-mail, obviously the content of the e-mail 
>>>>>>>>> isn't in a text field.  So, how could I select a block of text from 
>>>>>>>>> that message, then copy it?  Here's another example.  Say I'm on 
>>>>>>>>> Safari, and I see a web site that has some good information about a 
>>>>>>>>> particular topic.  How would I then select just that one paragraph 
>>>>>>>>> then somehow copy it, so I could then paste it into a text, or 
>>>>>>>>> e-mail, etc?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> OK, I'll give you that in Mail, I guess one sollution would be to go 
>>>>>>>>> like I was going to reply/forward the message, then I would have a 
>>>>>>>>> full on text field, then could select all, copy the whole e-mail, 
>>>>>>>>> compose a new message, address it, then put my subject, then paste 
>>>>>>>>> the body, then delete the aronious unneeded stuff accordingly, but, 
>>>>>>>>> man oh man! that's a lotta work just to copy one little part of the 
>>>>>>>>> mail!  With Safari, I'm even more! clueless how I'd do that seeing 
>>>>>>>>> there's no way what so ever that I know of to force the html content 
>>>>>>>>> into a text element area.  I know there has to be a way to do this! 
>>>>>>>>> Surely Apple didn't forget a feature as necessary as this!  LOL!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you kindly,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> Founder of CLG Productions
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