hey all, i did command option shift enter to open a link in a new window it worked like a charm. thanks for that shortcut. Michael On 08/04/2013, at 1:49 PM, Esther <mori...@mac-access.net> wrote:
> Hi Eric, > > Thanks for reporting back. I think the shortcuts listed on the Safari > preference pane for tabs did work more reliably in earlier versions of > Safari, and there was at least one web page that I found where using a > control+mouse click on a link -- not just a mouse click alone -- worked to > bring up the context menu. (With mouse keys turned on, I held down the > Control key and then tapped the "i" key. I did not have NumPad Commander > enabled on a laptop with the third-party KeyRemap4MacBook software loaded.) > > The substitution of enter for click in the listed shortcuts works for the > same reason that using Option+Enter works for VoiceOver users to force > downloads of linked files, while general Mac users will know this as using > the Option+Click shortcut to force downloads of files. This may also explain > the situations where usage with VoiceOver gets flakey. By the way, I'll > continue to describe this as "Option+Enter", but a Mac purist would say this > is "Option+Return". There's a different keyboard code for the "Enter" key > than for the "Return" key, and the "Enter" key can be used to rename files in > Finder, but it cannot be used to exit dialog windows by sending the default > selections, as the "Return" key does, both on the Mac, and on the virtual > keyboard of iOS devices. > > If VoiceOver is not turned on, but the mouse cursor is positioned at a link, > pressing the Option key while clicking with either mouse of Trackpad > indicates the selected file that is clicked on should be downloaded. But if > VoiceOver is turned on, we are using full keyboard access, and this means > that in addition to the standard shortcut keys, "Space bar" selects a > highlighted button and "Return" opens a highlighted link. When the VoiceOver > cursor moves to the link, it highlights it in the same way that clicking on > the link indicates selection (along with a command to open the link). So when > we use "Option+Enter (really Return)", with VoiceOver on (and focused on the > link), and hence with full keyboard access enabled, we perform the same > selection and activation with the Option key modifier as sighted users do > with Option+Click. Here's another way to tell that highlighting the > selection (done with VoiceOver focused on the link) plus pressing > Option+Enter works to force a d ow > nload: whether or not someone is using VoiceOver. If you started playing an > mp3 file associated with a link in your browser, because you clicked on the > link, you can force the file to download without going back to the link by > pressing Command+L, which moves to the address bar and highlights the URL, > and then pressing Option+Enter (really "Return"). That works whether or not > someone is using VoiceOver. > > Now lets look at the cases where people have had problems highlighting a link > and forcing a download with Option+Enter. The most common case people > reported of not simply being able to move to the link, route their mouse > cursor to the VoiceOver cursor, and press Option+Enter to download, was on > the podcast links of the main Blind Cool Tech podcast page. Unless you first > interact with that link, which also gets announced as a heading, you could > not use Option+Enter to download the podcast. Also, another thing that did > not work unless your first interacted with the link to the podcast on the BCT > podcast page was getting the context menu options to open the linked content > in a new page or download it when you used VO-Shift-M. > > I think what may happen in problem cases where these Option+Enter (equivalent > to Option-click) and Command+Option+Shift+Enter (equivalent to > command+option+shift+click) shortcuts do not work, is that the HTML coding > for the link on the page is not letting VoiceOver automatically highlight the > necessary information for the link within the VoiceOver cursor. > > This reminds me a bit of the navigation experience in the old MobileMe web > pages, where, like your arrowing away from and then back on to a link in > order to use the Shift-Command-Option-Enter shortcut, some of what I could do > depended on how I navigated to the web page elements. > > This is just conjecture, but it does explain why, if other web page elements > are present, you might find using the shortcuts apparently unreliable. > Command-Option-Enter should have opened the link in a new window, while > Shift-Command-Option-Enter should have opened the link in a new window and > made it the active window. (I think Sarah must have the box in Safari > preferences for tabs, for "When a new tab or window opens, make it active.) > > Josh asked, in another post, how one changed the settings on the Safari > Preferences window for tabs. I'm not sure if this is what he means, but > basically, you can set your preferences to open new web pages in either a new > tab of your browser, or a new window. The current default setting for Safari > is to open new web pages in a new tab. Some versions back, the default used > to be to open new web pages in a new window. You make your selection by > setting the pop menu to "Open pages in tabs instead of windows" either > "Always" (if you use tabs) or "Never" (if you use windows). > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On 7 Apr 2013, at 12:41, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hi Esther and others, >> >> I found the short cuts where you indicated but I would not have known >> to substitute enter for click. One more interesting detail. I believe I >> did try command, Option, Enter on the link and nothing happened several >> times. I went back to the NLS BARD site and practiced a bit. I found that >> if I am going down the list and land on the link I want to open in a new >> window it often doesn't respond to Command, Option, Enter or Shift, Command, >> Option Enter unless I arrow away from the link then come back to it. It >> then seems to work consistently. So if the command is not working for >> someone out there try arrowing away and then back to the link. Like Esther >> I was questioning my memory as I thought command,Option Enter was supposed >> to open a link in a new window. But, it just was not working! Now, it does >> if I arrow away and back. Doing a mouse click on the link also did not make >> the key command work. >> >> Still this is a quick way to get the site to do what I need. >> >> Eric Caron >> >> On Apr 7, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Esther <mori...@mac-access.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> Now I'm feeling senile and forgetful. The keyboard shortcut options are >>> actually listed on the tab preferences pane of Safari, if you read down >>> past the pop up menu that for opening pages in tabs or windows, and use >>> enter instead of click. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On 7 Apr 2013, at 06:43, Eric Caron wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Sarah, Esther, and others, >>>> >>>> I tried Esther's and Sarah's suggestions and Sarah's worked! Command, >>>> Option, Shift, Enter pressed when on the link of the book title opened the >>>> link in a window that when closed left me back in my original location on >>>> the web site. This will be a huge time saver for me on the NLS BARD site. >>>> I look forward to trying this on other sites such as Amazon to see if it >>>> also works. >>>> >>>> I tried changing the setting as Esther described but unless I did it wrong >>>> it didn't work the way I needed. >>>> >>>> Without this community on lists like this one, how would I ever have found >>>> that key combination? Thanks everyone. >>>> >>>> Eric Caron >>>> On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you hit cmd option shift enter it normally opens in a new window, at >>>>> least for me. There is a safari extension to do this but I forgot what it >>>>> was called and I uninstalled it as safari freezes when I install >>>>> extensions and i can't get to the install dialogue. or button quick >>>>> enough. >>>>> >>>>> Take care. >>>>> On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, "Phil Halton" <philh...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is the one big failing of Safari in my opinion. I don't know why >>>>>> they don't fix this so that returning from a link positions you back at >>>>>> the same spot on the webpage. I'll be watching this thread with interest. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Caron" >>>>>> <eric_ca...@mac-access.net> >>>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:21 AM >>>>>> Subject: How to Open link in new window? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi listers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you >>>>>>> could then return to the original web page and be in the same position. >>>>>>> I can't seem to find that command. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is what I'm trying to do. I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book >>>>>>> I want to add to my wish list. I press the link and go to a new page >>>>>>> where I add the book then press back to summery list. I then return to >>>>>>> the original web page but am at the top and now have to sort through >>>>>>> 18,000 items or more to get back to the place I was at. Item chooser >>>>>>> works but is slow. If I could return to the site at the same location >>>>>>> I left from I would save lots of time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Suggestions are greatly appreciated! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eric Caron > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access@mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> > > As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that > the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and > worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security > strategy. 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