You're right, I probably don't. I often say one thing that mean another. I was mean what I mean though! Smiley
Carol P Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch On 20 Jul 2013, at 06:01 AM, "Chris Gilland" <ch...@clgproductions.com> wrote: > OK, be careful here. You probably didn't mean what you actually typed, but > it's actually vo+F1 F1, not command+1. > > Chris. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Pearson" > <carol.pearso...@googlemail.com> > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net> > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:15 AM > Subject: Re: Mail busy message > > >> Hi Chris, >> >> Thanks for the explanation and the time you put into doing so. I do >> understand these points And, if I know I am in having two apps open, I do >> often use the command tab option rather than command one. Old Habits die >> hard! and have all these little things in my mind now. >> >> Carol P >> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch >> >> On 19 Jul 2013, at 02:30 AM, "Chris Gilland" <ch...@clgproductions.com> >> wrote: >> >>> OK Carol, that's no problem. There are several ways that you can deal with >>> this. >>> >>> First of all, I remember that you came from a Windows background >>> originally. Remember in Windows how you could do alt+tab to move between >>> applications? Well, it's the exact, same principle here. If you hit >>> command+Tab, that will cycle you between opened programs just like alt+tab >>> did in Windows. So, what you can do, is command tab and make sure that the >>> only thing opened is the Finder. When you hit command+tab, remember, your >>> command key is the key right to the left and right of your space bar. You >>> can use either of them in combination with the tab key. Just hold down your >>> command key, then start pressing the tab key, while leaving your command >>> key held down. When you hear the name of an application you want to move >>> focus to, release your command key. Once you're in the application, just >>> press command+Q to quit the application. When I say application, I'm just >>> meaning a program. Same thing interchangeably. Application, program, same >>> thing. The Mac is gonna call it >> more application, but just so not to confuse you further, they're both the >> same lingo, no difference at all. >>> >>> A good way for you, Carol, to remember command+Q to quit is just think the >>> mneumonic, q is for quit. So q is for quit, c is for copy, p is for print, >>> cut and paste are the same as they were in windows, with the exception you >>> use the command key instead of the ctrl key. So, command+x is cut, >>> command+v is paste, and command+z/zed call it as you will, is undo. >>> Command+C is copy, and command+A is select all. >>> >>> I really hope that this helps you out, but if you need anything better >>> explained, please let me know, and I'll try to think of another way to >>> reword things more simply. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Pearson" >>> <carol.pearso...@googlemail.com> >>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mail busy message >>> >>> >>>> Thanks and I'll keep this information safe. >>>> >>>> Last night, the Mac told me that it could not close down because something >>>> Was still working in finder. It suggested I should stop applications etc, >>>> but I haven't a clue where to go! >>>> >>>> I finally had to give in and reluctantly do a force quit! >>>> >>>> If you can tell me how to deal more gently and effectively with this >>>> problem in the future, that would be most useful, thanks! >>>> >>>> Carol P >>>> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch >>>> >>>> On 18 Jul 2013, at 05:47 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Andy and Carol, >>>>> >>>>> I really don't have this problem with Mail and I receive hundreds of >>>>> messages every day. However, I have some suggestions. >>>>> >>>>> Whenever applications are behaving unreasonably, I find it useful to >>>>> repair permissions. You do this by opening the Utilities folder >>>>> (Cmd-Shift-u) and opening Disk Utility. >>>>> >>>>> In Disk Utility, there is a table with which you interact to find your >>>>> internal hard drive. It's usually the second item in the table and is >>>>> often called Macintosh HD. Select it and stop interacting. Then navigate >>>>> twice right and check that First Aid is selected. >>>>> >>>>> Navigate down from there to the button Repair Disk Permissions and click >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> You can follow the progress of the permissions repair by navigating up to >>>>> Results and interacting with that table. >>>>> >>>>> When the repair is complete, the bottom line will say as much and you can >>>>> quit the Utility. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Anne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 18 Jul 2013, at 18:30, ANDY COLLINS <a...@recreation.plus.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Carol - I'm actually finding mail a bit of a pain, just when I think >>>>>> I can navigate it ok, the appearance changes, or Having interacted with >>>>>> a message, when I stop, I am thrown out in to somewhere I didn't expect >>>>>> to be, and can't get back to my messages without some fiddling about. >>>>>> I've searched around for help, and have heard a couple of Pods referring >>>>>> to mail, but nothing really that has given an in-depth explanation of >>>>>> how it works, and how to best set it up. I'm a bit like this in Safari >>>>>> or Chrome, I think I've grasped navigating etc, only to encounter >>>>>> something that throws me, and then frustrates me too! - >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Pearson" >>>>>> <carol.pearso...@googlemail.com> >>>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:07 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mail busy message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Andy, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been having similar problems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One thing that sometimes seems to help me is, instead of stopping >>>>>>> reacting in messages, to cycle between the reading of headers or >>>>>>> messages, and I think this is the third one that sometimes comes up, >>>>>>> but I can't remember offhand what it is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We both are getting there slowly! I think there may be a keystroke >>>>>>> we're both missing, so I hope somebody will chime in here! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carol P >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18 Jul 2013, at 04:58 PM, Andy Collins <a...@recreation.plus.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A lot of the time, when I stop interacting with messages table in >>>>>>>> mail, VO says "busy." The only way I can get out of this is by >>>>>>>> quitting the app, and reopening it. Do others have this issue? 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