Hi Dónal and Josh, The 2.74 release of XQuartz is the last stable release. XQuartz is advising Mavericks users to use 2.7.5 rc3 or later, which is their development release. You can find that version at: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac
This is the web page that tracks all their latest releases. XQuartz is reported to work under Mavericks except for users who are running dual monitors under the new support option that Mavericks has for this. I said that I didn't think this would apply to list users, but I forgot that low-vision users might have multiple monitors connected up to their computers in order to run a really large display. (Since we more frequently get feedback from users who try to run Mac Minis with no display at all, I tend to forget that there might be list users who use multiple monitors.) Anyway, the workaround that I gave of setting up System Preferences > Mission Control to uncheck "Displays have separate spaces" is supposed to put X11 back into its legacy mode when a specially configured dual monitor mode was not part of the system. Josh, X11 is just a protocol for passing standard information about screen and windows settings across to different platforms, and includes information for supporting graphical information. It predates the Mac VoiceOver development, so the X11 or XWindows system isn't accessible, but is widely used by multiple platforms. Apple's later Quartz interface has the accessibility information incorporated, but this is Apple-specific. When they were working at brining in Open Office to the Mac platform, there were two parallel efforts: one based on X11 and one based on Quartz. X11 has a much larger user base across multiple operating systems. It's just not something VoiceOver users come across very often. One thing I would really like is a way to command the VoiceOver cursor to move to an arbitrary screen location built into the operating system, instead of having to move pixel by pixel using Mouse Keys. I think that X11 lets that kind of information be passed along through the XWindow interface. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Josh Gregory wrote: > Thanks Very much, greatly appreciated. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 3, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> Hi Josh, >> >> Yes indeed it will. the latest version is 2.74 (I think). >> >> Dónal >>> On 3 Nov 2013, at 20:53, Josh Gregory wrote: >>> >>> Okay, will XQuartz work with Mavericks? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 3, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Esther wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Josh and David, >>>> >>>> For X11 starting with Mountain Lion you have to look for "XQuartz". This >>>> is Apple's X11, and can be downloaded from: >>>> http://xquartz.macosforge.org/ >>>> >>>> There's an Apple Knowledge base document "About X11 and OS X Mountain >>>> Lion" that explains this split: >>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5293 >>>> >>>> If you upgrade from Mountain Lion and use either the Xcode or X11 (meaning >>>> XQuartz) Developer tools, you have to reinstall these in Mavericks. I >>>> mention both these packages, because while most of us do not use third >>>> party applications based on X11, which is more of a visually oriented >>>> windows interface, more of us may install or port applications based on >>>> Xcode. The latest version of Xcode is available from the Mac app store, >>>> but this is not something you need unless you want to work as a developer >>>> or to run specific software that requires Xcode (generally to port >>>> applications that were written for other unix or Linux platforms to the >>>> Mac). >>>> >>>> You can read the wiki, "Installing Xcode Tools and X11": >>>> https://machelp.ucsd.edu/groups/publichelpwiki/wiki/36ac6/ >>>> >>>> This has been updated to include Mavericks, but the main modification in >>>> that document is the method of installing the Xcode command line tools >>>> from Terminal under Mavericks. You don't need to read this web page for >>>> installing X11, since the main information it gives is to summarize that >>>> starting with Mountain Lion X11 has been found in "XQuartz", which is X11 >>>> rebranded with the Apple logo, and to give the link to the web page. >>>> >>>> There is a reported bug if you are trying to run XQuartz in Mavericks with >>>> the new support for dual monitor option, but I don't think that affects >>>> any list users. The workaround is to go to System Preferences->Mission >>>> Control and uncheck "Displays have separate spaces". >>>> >>>> HTH. 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