hey,
i tried the option with the arrows and up and down only took me to the very top 
and bottom of the menus.
also tried the mouse stuff and still no luck.
thanks for everyones help.
Michael
On 29 Jan 2014, at 4:03 pm, Josh Gregory <joshkar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, my apologies, now that I think about it, there is a way to do this as 
> Sarah suggested, I do this to access the condition of the battery if I need 
> to.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey criss,
>> will have a play with this.
>> there needs to be a way for VO users to work with these extra options.
>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 1:45 pm, Christopher gilland <ch...@clgproductions.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control and 
>>> option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then how are 
>>> you supposed to get to those extra options which would require you to hold 
>>> the option key down while hovering your mouse over the key.  The only way 
>>> that I've found to get this to work is to open up the menu, vo+down arrow 
>>> to the option which needs to be changed over, then route your mouse with 
>>> vo+command+F5, then hit your option key while clicking your physical mouse 
>>> or trackpad.  the only issue with this however is beware, there really 
>>> isn't, at least that I know of, a reliable way to see what the options turn 
>>> to when holding down the option key since you can't navigate effectively 
>>> with voiceover while the Option key is held down.  Again, I know.  You 
>>> already are! holding down your option key with your voiceover keys.  that's 
>>> my whole point.  If you're holding down the control and option keys 
>>> already, then you don't have a wa
 y
> 
>> of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya know?  So, yeah, it's 
>> probably not the most effective way to do things, however, that said, I have 
>> found times, very few and far between, but still, I have seen times where I 
>> didn't have a choice, and that's how I got around it.  Again, not probably 
>> the answer you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I got.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Gregory" <joshkar...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
>>> key
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option comes 
>>>> up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> hey all,
>>>>> i have a quick question for you all.
>>>>> i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub 
>>>>> menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to 
>>>>> say sort by.
>>>>> how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
>>>>> option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter 
>>>>> these menus to work with the new options?
>>>>> thanks for any help
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michael
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