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> YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBERS ET AL ARE *NOT* AT ANY GREATER RISK DURING
> WIRELESS TRANSIT THAN THEY ARE OVER WIRED CONNECTIONS OR EVEN IN YOUR
> STATION WAGON.  IN FACT, THE CASE CAN BE MADE TO SAY THEY'RE *MORE*
> SECURE.

WRONG!  wireless is a lot easier to tap than physical wiring, therefore it's far easier
for someone to gain access to your online transaction and it's data.  on a wired 
network,
the intruder has to have physical access to your network or one of the machines the
transaction goes through, or the internet backbone.  Wireless also makes a "man in the
middle" attack much simpler.  and all of this can be done from anywhere within a block 
of
you with good equipment.

> SSL is a *secure* transit mechanism.  It is an end-to-end encrypted
> connection *BETWEEN YOUR BROWSER AND THE FINANCIAL eCOMMERCE SERVER*.
> The SSL packets are then enclosed *within* (encapsulated) the
> wireless' encryption mechanism -- IOW, it makes for *TWO* layers of
> encryption!

SSL is reasonably secure, but not nearly as good as many people think, and some
implementations are flawed (it doesn't matter how good an encryption protocol is if 
it's
implemented poorly).  also, once the packets are captured, the cracker can let his 
machine
take time to crack it, they don't need it in real time.  It has also been demonstrated
that a "timing" attack works against ssl, even with the many routers a packet goes 
through
and the jitter in forwarding timing.

> As for WEP...  The original Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) encryption found in
> 802.11 standards can be sniffed and decoded, with quite a bit of
> effort.  Depending on the amount of wireless traffic you produce, it
> might require anywhere from an hour to days of sniffing to gather
> enough data for the decrypt.  But still, all that does is hand the
> phreaker your SSL-encrypted packets -- which would still require
> major supercomputers years to break!  The new encryption mechanism,
> WPA, corrects WEP's shortcommings, btw.

It has now been demonstrated that the WEP encryption is implemented poorly, and that it
can be cracked in 10-15 minutes, and this can be done passively (i.e. without sending 
any
test packets which might attract attention, all you have to do is listen to the traffic
for a while).  I would strongly suggest checking out cryptogram.org.  none of this is 
very
hard to crack.
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Yes, mac people tend to be smarter, and hopefully many will be smart enough to stay 
away
from wireless.  going wireless means an intruder doesn't need physical access to any
thing, all they need is an antenna etc. and a good computer and they can crack you to
death if they want to, and they can do it without any visible signal from outside (i.e.
they can have their antenna inside along with the computer, close the curtains and you
have no idea someone is even trying).

Fortunately, most people who know how to do these things don't need to rip you off, and
there aren't too many tools for script kiddies.  in any case, the crackers are so good
that there is actually a surplus of stolen credit card numbers!  people are selling 
huge
list of stolen credit card info and there are so many that most never get used, the
cracker simply has more credit card numbers than they can use!

seriously, i recommend cryptogram.  all of what i've said above has been documented in 
the
cryptogram news letter sighting well done studies by serious computer people.  it's not
hype, it's reality.  wireless is like writing on the back of a post card as opposed to
putting a message inside an envelope.  for some things, you probably don't care if 
someone
can read the post card in transit, for other things you not only want an envelope but 
an
envelope with printing inside so the letter can't be read without opening the envelope 
and
leaving evidence of the privacy violation.

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