The visual ways of doing things re explained but we have full access via the keyboard to the gui if it is accessible.
On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Tiffany D wrote: I think it's wonderful what you're doing and I'm with you 100%. You're setting a great example and considering how Apple is so comitted to accessibility it should be easier to get other developers on board than if you were using a different os. In any case, I saw no need for self-voicing aps until I read about the programs with completely different interfaces. I still think none should be needed if VoiceOver can do the job. As for what I'd like to see, I'd love there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. Best of luck, Tiffanitsa On 08/03/2009, Chris Gilland <ch...@blindperspectives.net> wrote: > By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running > the > program would still speak right out of the box. In other words, > give the > user the option of using voice over, or! being able to rely on > speech just > within the program itself. Kind a like what happens with the clock > being > self voicing upon the hr half hr or quarter, if you set that up in > universal > access. Hince: you don't need vo running for that to work. > > Chris. > > Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My > twitter URL is: > > http://twitter.com/chris28210 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Martin Pilkington > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs > > > Hi Chris, > > > I'm not 100% sure whether it is possible to detect whether the user > is > using a braille display or not, but I'll definitely look into it. If > OS X > doesn't allow me to give different descriptions to braille devices > I'll try > and get in touch with developers at Apple to see if they can add it > in a > future version. As for the self voicing feature, I'm a little unsure > what > you mean. Could you give an example of how it would be used and what > it > would do? > > > My applications are already in Cocoa and it is indeed fairly easy > to make > them voice over friendly, though the options to do this aren't > really front > and centre so they can often be forgotten. Of course not everything > is quite > as easy to make accessible, especially as I use custom controls in > places so > these will require more work. > > > As for magnification and high contrast modes, do the system wide > zoom and > invert colours features not solve that problem? Some things such as > making > text in some areas bigger and allowing users to customise colours to > give > them a higher contrast are relatively easy, but to do these for > everything > in an application would be extremely difficult. These are more > system wide > features Apple would need to do themselves in order to have them > done right. > > > Thanks for your feedback! > > > --------------------------------- > > Martin Pilkington > > Writer of Weird Symbols > > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:37 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > > > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. > Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing feature, > this way > if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, he or she still > can do > what needs to be done. Also, I would make your labels for the U I, > very > discriptive but yet maybe slightly shorter for the interface that is > viewed > via a braille display. This way the point is made but only the > absolutely > necessary amount of cells are used, this way providing more room for > other > things, such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you > write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice over > friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to be > able to > enable magnification in the program for low vision usersw. Also maybe > provide an option to turn the programs U I color to high contrast. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who > are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > > > > > > > >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
