Hi Martin, Have you tried putting on headphones, and using the voiceover sounds as you move around the screen? Voiceover has different audio queues as you move from line to line. Also, as you go from left to right on a single line, the effects for buttons and objects move from left to right in stereo. This may save you from having to painstakingly describe where everything is in the window. I know that not all users want those sounds, but I find them extremely helpful when getting to know a program.
Thanks, John On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: > Hi David, > > Unless I'm missing something, hitting vo-F1 just reads the current > application and how many open applications there are and vo-f2 just > reads the title of the current window. I'm talking more about > describing what UI elements are on the window and where they are. > For example "On the left of the screen is the source list, it shows > all your groups. In the top right in a list of all your items". > Obviously it would be more detailed than this but it would also > describe what actions are available. > > And yes, while it isn't a bug, I just refer to it as filing a bug in > their bug reporter even though it is a feature request. But the > point is, as Apple writes the drivers they could add support to > voice over for setting a braille description string for a UI element. > > Thanks > > --------------------------------- > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 8:07 pm, David Poehlman wrote: > >> >> this is not a bug. apple write drivers for displays themselves. the >> display is handled through the driver and tightly integrated into >> voiceover. the only thing you could offer would be a choice of short >> or long labels. >> >> as to my response to the summarization of what is on the screen, see >> vo-f1 and vo-f2 >> On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >> >> Hi David, >> >> Could you tell me how to get this overview of the current window? >> What >> I'm proposing is something that will be in more natural english than >> what voice over usually does. As for the braille display detection, >> I'll look into filing a bug with Apple to see if they will look into >> this for a future OS version. >> >> Thanks >> >> --------------------------------- >> Martin Pilkington >> Writer of Weird Symbols >> pi...@mcubedsw.com >> >> >> On 9 Mar 2009, at 6:26 am, David Poehlman wrote: >> >>> >>> we already have this in vo. >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tiffany, >>> >>> This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of >>> overview >>> giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up at >>> any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically >>> for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where >>> when >>> navigating and how it works. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Martin Pilkington >>> Writer of Weird Symbols >>> pi...@mcubedsw.com >>> >>> >>> On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:43 am, Tiffany D wrote: >>> >>>> As for what I'd like to see, I'd love >>>> there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the >>>> applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to >>>> use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the >>>> answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is >>>> accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
